To think a woman isn't automatically lying if a rape trial verdict is not guilty?

[lilly0]

The courts in this country prosecute only on the basis of beyond reasonable doubt. In rape cases the forensic evidence might not be there and it turns into a case of he said she said.
Every other crime we don't seem to automatically call victims liars if the accused is found not guilty. Why is rape so different?

[OutyMcOutface]

Obviously. Did you only just catch on? Rape is a very serious allegation and, given the nature of the crime, very difficult to prove. Obviously a large proportion rapes cannot be successfully prosecuted.

[LisaSimpsonsbff]

I think that's unfair, strawberry - I've disagreed with Peng but I can't see that she's defended rapists at all.

[AnneElliott]

I agree with you op. A not guilty verdict does not mean 'innocent' or it didn't happen.

And my view is that in any cases where the CPS authorises a charge of rape means that the defendant is guilty. CPS only runs with cares they think they can win, so pretty much anyone who gets to court is guilty knot view - despite the verdict of the jury.

[BakedBeans47]

Of course YANBU OP.

What I find depressing is how much media coverage there has been of late of cases where men were wrongly accused but next to fuck all outrage in the media about the women who get no justice for their ordeals

[Charismam]

of course not. i'd presume it couldn't be proved (it hardly ever can be proved)

[Lockheart]

Good grief strawberry give your head a wobble and read her posts. Penh has said the exact opposite of what you’re accusing her of. The conviction of rape hinges on an honest and reasonable belief. It is unreasonable to believe someone who is unconscious or very young or screaming no has consented. Therefore a rape has taken place. This is what Peng has been explaining the last couple of pages FFS.

[Charismam]

Absolutely AnneElliot.

[Blink66]

strawberriesaregood

You are making a very strong case of whether people should be vetted on their ability to put aside their mis-beliefs before being on a Jury. If a Judge directed you to determine based on the true current definition of rape rather than your own, would you be able to do so?

Yes - the definition of rape has changed, and that is why your statement is completely wrong. If you were in a hypothetical country with no crime of rape and it was the law that every man could have sex without consent, you would still be saying it was possible to be raped.

[Bobits]

Sexual predators are just that. "Predators." They seek out vulnerability, be it size, gender, age. Or society's additional damaging narrative making reference to "x being a cheap date" because they can't handle their drink. Or Focus on x dressed as a "slut" or is "behaving promiscuously." Or the ULTIMATE TABOO...ssshhhhhh.... (not a stranger)

Of course all of the above "mens rea" happens in 'the mind' not out in the open or verbally.

Mind you how much is the issue of consent discussed verbally between consenting adults? "Darling, would you mind awfully if I skullfucked you?"

Much of the non verbal cues (that all humans also identify & use) define our choices and behaviour. During sexual contact/relationships especially as our 'stiff upper lip' culture dictates.

Predators see the exact same non verbal cues as 'non predators'. They just choose to ignore them. Or see them as opportunity.

[Bobits]

"We can belive whatever we choose to believe.
We are answerable for what we choose to believe."

[Bobits]

Notice I did not use 'he' or 'she' once.

[Bobits]

Pengggwn

How do you propose to solve the actual problem ?
I've clearly laid it out above.
Without gender bias.
Instead of focusing on the behaviour of the victim.

[lilly0]

I'm not sure I would trust the courts to give out justice, the only rape I would report would be stranger rape where he attacked me and beat me up even then I would expect to be called a slut lying etc . I don't know why any woman would lie and go through the ordeal of reporting someone for rape be cross examined and have everything about their character dragged up . I personally would be tempted towards the vigilante route it seems the only way some women will ever get justice.