AIBU - Diane Abbott, Jeremy Corbyn

[Lloyd45]

To expect to see Diane Abbott or Jeremy Corbyn on TV commemorating and celebrating a 100 years of the woman's vote? You would think especially Diane Abbott would be standing up celebrating women in politics and what it has taken for women to have a place in parliament

A lot of potential voters think they hate women - that's because they do. Didn't you know Jezza hates women. He chucked Abbott under a bus before the election, and still she cosies up to him.

I don't think Jeremy and Diane get to choose what is shown on the news.

I think if Jeremy or Diane wanted to go on tv there would be many shows such as the One Show that would be quite happy to have them.

Anyway they were on C5 news this evening

Oh good I'm glad they made an effort, I'm off to check the clip

Why is this especially a job for Labour politicians? Labour didnt give women the vote.

user1471450935 Pretty much all the leaders on the national stage were well educated, well off women. Emmeline Pankhurst for example was only really interested in votes for women like herself and was quite establishment, stopping the suffragette campaign on the outbreak of WW1 and campaigning for men to join up etc. She also broke contact with one of her daughters for having a child out of wedlock and being far too interested in socialism and bettering the living conditions of the poor (including educating them about contraception). Many women suffragists had links with the liberal party or with socialism - the first women in the cabinet was Margaret Bonfield in a short lived Labour government in the 1920s. So yes there was class and politics thrown in, it wasn't apolitical and many of the leaders actually only wanted the vote for women like themselves. Others genuinely wanted equality though. Don't forget some men were strong women's suffrage campaigners as well. Im very anti-suffragettes and E Pankurst in particular. Partly just because she has got remembered and many people who lived amazing lives in the suffrage campaign didn't though.
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Maybe they aren't on TV because they realise its the wrong anniversary and 1918 should be about the end of WW1 and universal male suffrage.

Going to keep saying this but women didn't achieve equality of voting until 1928 - why celebrate a piece of legislation that gave less than half of women the vote?

To be fair, most of the stuff I've seen says "some women" got the vote.

I can't bear corbyn or Abbott, but I think there are many more reasons to criticise them than just this. I did have to smile at Abbott's reminder that she was the first black female MP though - whilst that was and is absolutely an amazing achievement, this one is not all about you, love!

Dianne Abbott wouldn't be able to work out that between 1918 and 2018 is 100 years so I guess that's why she is quiet.

lostherenow Because it was the major battle won - nobody doubted that it would be equalised soon. In 1924 the Tories came back to power and said that they would equalise it in time for the next general election, and they did.

It was women over thirty only for a short time for the same reason the men who had fought got the vote at 18 and in theory conscientious objectors were barred from voting for three general elections (which turned out to be 1918, 1922, 1923) - although that was not enforced - to give the men who had fought some extra temporary leverage. Mad but in the context of 1918 I can see why they did it.

This thread is super weird. That’s all I’ve got.

Yep.

Not the young men and women who got the vote in time for the election in 1970. The young men who had fought in the First World War - they were allowed to vote in 1918. Of course by the next election in 1922 they had all reached 21 so that special concussion lapsed. Are you sure about that one - they were talking about it on R4 today, and I'm sure they said 19 (and wiki agrees).

One of my teachers remembered the property restriction on women voting.

19 may be right. In any case less than 21 which applied to other men. The property restriction applied to men too.

Of course this was about the Parliamentary vote. Women had had the vote for councils on the same terms as men since the 1880s.

I notice that upthread I or bloody auto-correct changed concession into concussion. Only 6 February and we have a promising candidate for silliest typo of the year.

Thank you Losttherenow,
I know men where involved, my mum's grandfather, my great-grandfather was arrested for going on a march with his wife, I think she smashed a local Mp's window and he took the blame for it. He was fined and cautioned, she would have faced prison.
I agree with you over the Pankhursts and thought she fell out with other family members. I am always shocked no one( sadly including me) can remember the name of the lady who died at the Derby, or all the women forced fed in prison.
I agree it was a very middle/upper class victory and 1928, would be better to celebrate.
Just notice one of the Pankhurst's granddaughters, may be great, said not to celebrate and ask for pardons, but for all women and their supporters to continue to fight for true equality today. I think she is probably spot on.
After all is it still true 2 women die every day in Britain, and women's rights all over the world aren't great, I still can't believe so many women Mp's still get death threats after what happen to Jo Cox, we all have a long way to go sadly