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to think this is good news for Vapers...

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PiffIeandWiffle · 06/02/2018 08:00

Here's a BBC Linky but the upshot is that, according to Public Health England, vaping isn't the big Satan that some make it out to be, E-Cigs should be available on prescription & that hospitals & employers should have designated vaping areas (even rooms for long stay patients).

It's about time some proper research was done & some recognition of the fact that it's just water & flavouring - "there was "overwhelming evidence" they were far safer than smoking and "of negligible risk to bystanders"....

Good news for those trying to give up fags, but it does mean that the frothers will have to find something else to froth about now......

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NewYearNewMe18 · 06/02/2018 08:02

Last week they caused cancer and heart disease.

Anyone can find any link to support their view point . These studies are commissioned by the manufactures to up their sales.

ShatnersWig · 06/02/2018 08:04

I don't see why they should be available on prescription. I have a condition the NHS won't fund that actually affects my day to day life and has potentially serious long-term health complications like dementia. I have to pay for the tablets I take on a daily basis. There are hundreds of thousands of people in a similar position. There are other treatments we can't afford to fund.

I didn't choose to have this condition. Anyone under a certain age was well aware of the dangers of smoking when they chose to take it up.

MsJolly · 06/02/2018 08:06

I understood that one of the ingredients had been linked to "popcorn lung". They don't just contain water and vimto flavour!

NewYearNewMe18 · 06/02/2018 08:07

As an ex smoker - and there is nothing so puritanical than an ex smoker - I don't want to wade through clouds of ylang ylang and watermelon every time I step out doors.

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PiffIeandWiffle · 06/02/2018 08:07

don't see why they should be available on prescription.

Eerm, because it potentially saves the NHS money in the long run??

But if your entire argument is based around "it's not fair, I don't get that, waaa" then there must be lots that annoys you!

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Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar · 06/02/2018 08:08

Should be available on prescription!! Of course they bloody shouldn't

StickThatInYourPipe · 06/02/2018 08:08

I understood that one of the ingredients had been linked to "popcorn lung"

I believed that that ingredient had been identified and removed

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PiffIeandWiffle · 06/02/2018 08:09

Anyway - good news for vapers & those of us that don't mind wandering through nice smelling clouds instead of fag smoke (I'm an ex-smoker & non-vaper BTW).

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pownckel · 06/02/2018 08:10

I also agree that it shouldn't be available on the NHS. There are other things too that shouldn't be, but this thread is about vaping.

I can't understand why people do it. The only thing that is healthy to breathe in for our lungs is bloody fresh air!! Lots of vapers in our family and one who actually has popcorn lung and they are all addicted.

Rebeccaslicker · 06/02/2018 08:11

Yeah, that's great for the bystanders. We just LOVE having even negligible risks thrust upon us.

Time will tell if they are in fact risk free to bystanders, or negligibly risky, or actually quite risky.

But not all e-cigs and liquids are created equal anyway. How do you know if the person next to you is smoking a legitimate properly tested one or not?!

Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar · 06/02/2018 08:11

How does it save the NHS money? If people buy this instead of cigarettes, it potentially could save money regarding future health treatment, but the NHS doesn't fund cigarettes, does it?
You don't get a refund for keeping yourself healthy.

NewYearNewMe18 · 06/02/2018 08:13

Vapes haven't been around long enough to do lengthy studies. You keep taking in that addictive nicotine - you might be an ex cigarette smoker but you still take in the drugs. Kid your self all you like, surrounded in your peach and patchouli fog, smelling like a pound shop fabric conditioner that mated with a Lidl plug in air freshener.

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PiffIeandWiffle · 06/02/2018 08:13

We just LOVE having even negligible risks thrust upon us.

All smoking & vaping areas are outside at present - with the car fumes!!! Unless you walk round in an aqualung you're waffling.....

How do you know if the person next to you is smoking a legitimate properly tested one or not?!

Much the same as you know if the person driving past has removed the DPF from their car & is belting shit into your lungs.

Anyway, Frothers gotta Froth....

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YetAnotherUser · 06/02/2018 08:13

Being available on prescription for a limited amount of time to shift smokers to a less dangerous (and less costly to the NHS) seems like a no-brainer to me.

RowenasDiadem · 06/02/2018 08:14

Smoking is a choice, quitting is a choice. The nhs already give out prescriptions to help people quit and at the end of that, the costs stop as they are now non smokers. Why should it pay for people to change from cigs to an alternative which they can stay on for as long as they want? Very few people stay on nicotine patches, gum or the like for long. Vapers have no reason to quit. It's a lifestyle choice that the NHS shouldn't be funding.

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PiffIeandWiffle · 06/02/2018 08:14

You keep taking in that addictive nicotine - you might be an ex cigarette smoker but you still take in the drugs

I don't vape, and a lot of people are actually on the zero nicotine liquids - they enjoy vaping....

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PiffIeandWiffle · 06/02/2018 08:15

Being available on prescription for a limited amount of time to shift smokers to a less dangerous (and less costly to the NHS) seems like a no-brainer to me.

You'd think wouldn't you!

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Sirzy · 06/02/2018 08:16

I am torn on the idea of them being available on prescription- I assume that if they were it would be a time limited part of a bigger stop smoking support scheme?

But even as a non smoker I can see that for a lot of people they have been massively helpful in quitting smoking which can only be a good thing.

ShatnersWig · 06/02/2018 08:17

Eerm, because it potentially saves the NHS money in the long run??

Oddly enough, that would also be the same with my condition and there are hundreds of thousands of people afflicted with it. Long term dementia care alone will cost the NHS a fortune before we talk about the other complications. There are lots of conditions, the NHS doesn't fund that will cost the NHS far more in the long run than giving me or others daily medication.

So, that argument is rubbish. Next argument please?

feefiifoo · 06/02/2018 08:20

This is my type of vaping right now

to think this is good news for Vapers...

Alwaysinmyheart · 06/02/2018 08:21

Vaping is the ONE THING that has successfully helped over a million pp to quit fags! To me, that's a success story that should be celebrated and encouraged. It's so hard to stop smoking and most smokers are desperate to quit. I'm very heartened by this current announcement as it is potentially life saving. I smoked for 30 years and had tried so many times to stop. I haven't touched a fag for 2 years now thanks to vaping and every day I'm grateful to it!

ShatnersWig · 06/02/2018 08:21

fee Mmmmmmm

SleepingBooty · 06/02/2018 08:28

Vaping is great compared to smoking but why should it be available in the NHS?
If smokers can afford to smoke (1 pack of 20 at £10 ) then they can afford to vape which is far cheaper.

Inthedeepdarkwinter · 06/02/2018 08:32

E-cigs are not available on prescription, though, as there is no one licensed for this purpose.

So- this is what they would like to happen, not what is happening, because nicotine patches, gum, and various drugs are all available on the NHS to help quitters- for the obvious reason it's cost effective to stop them smoking with support and help (as it's hard!) rather than just let them drift on smoking and then treat their smoking related illnesses.

Popcorn lung- I don't know of any, not one study that has shown a vaper getting popcorn lung from vaping. It is a type of bronchiolitis that is quite rare, it uses a flavouring that used to be used in popcorn. Different types of lung disease are found in smokers, if you smoke for 30 years, then vape for 2, it's kind of strange to blame the vaping! Your chance of getting COPD or lung cancer from smoking is immensely higher than popcorn lung, tens of thousands a year get this, so if you avoid vape liquids with diacetyl in (the popcorn flavour) then your risk is non-existent. Plus smoking has diacetyl in anyway so if you continue to smoke, your chance of popcorn lung is much higher.

Of course, ideally you would quit using nothing and never touch a cigarette again, but if people could do that, then surely they would have done by now!

BlindAssassin1 · 06/02/2018 08:32

If you can afford cigarettes you can fund your own vape habit. The NHS is under such pressure and already runs a full service to help people stop smoking that it makes no economic sense to do this.

I'd rather any extra cash go to paediatric and dementia services, not on a product you can pick up in a supermarket.

We need to go through a few generations of users to see the true results of this.

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