Snowflakes picking cabbages

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5351133/Eastern-Europeans-10-times-faster-farm-work-Brits.html#comments-5351133

Aibu to question the motives of this?

People that aren't used to manual work or working outdoors during winter are much slower on their first day compared to people that have been doing the job day in day out. I fail to see the actual story

The URL gives away the full story pretty much!

Anyone who calls the younger generation 'snowflakes' is a fucking twat.

It's just change of circumstances isn't it? That generation did harder physical labour and had the stresses of poverty to deal with, current generations are under a lot of pressure to be perfect and have a perfect body when they have more availability of unhealthy food and lifestyles.

Most DC/young adults I know, either work or study and work p/t, they aren't all pampered snowflakes.

The term snowflakes was originally used to describe a certain sense of entitlement. It is now used to mean anything that some people don't like about the younger generation.

Snowflakes wasn't originally referring to people not working or studying. It was used to refer to young people who had been brought up to think of themselves as special and with a certain sense of entitlement. I do think that is a generational issue. Although it is not young people to blame for that, but my generation who parented them.

i did fruit picking as a teenager, my own teens would not do it, they looked aghast at the pay, they didnt go on benefits though, they worked elsewhere.

Anyone who calls the younger generation 'snowflakes' is a fucking twat

The youth of UK are prone to walk out at the drop of the hat and happy to rely on benefits

Yet the number of people who are unemployed is at a record low.

The youth of UK are prone to walk out at the drop of the hat and happy to rely on benefits

What a load of fucking shit.

Id like to know who did all the agricultural work before eastern blockers came. Id also like to know who worked in the hospitality industry before eastern blockers came. Try going to any hotel in the lakes and the staff are mostly eastern blockers/polish.

Now it does beg the question, did all the locals suddenly resign or were they gradually edged out by aggressive managers in favour of more malleable,cheaper,easier to exploit employees.

The youth of UK are prone to walk out at the drop of the hat and happy to rely on benefits

that's a tossy generalisation - do you have facts to back that up?

Anyone who calls the younger generation 'snowflakes' is a fucking twat

which younger generation do you think is being referred to? Its not an entire generation anyway, its a type of person, who can be any age.
It's a useful word. There are growing numbers of people who are overly entitled, cosseted, self absorbed, and lacking in resilience.

You may not like the term but lets not pretend these people do not exist.

As farmy types, the only local staff that we have are the ones that we inherited 15 years ago

I thought this was stopped a couple of centuries ago?

There are growing numbers of people who are overly entitled, cosseted, self absorbed, and lacking in resilience

I thought that 'snowflake' was a term for people who got offended by stuff. A bit like when the Daily Mail gets offended over stuff like 'Easter being dropped' by the National Trust. The Daily Mail is as 'snowflakey' as people it calls snowflakes. They get very offended and upset as well.

If you read the article right to the end you will see that the British pickers did eventually reach their target.

The hardest job I EVER did was picking flowers. It's really tough! Sounds ridiculous, but it's true. Mainly because they were tall flowers and you had to make sure they were tall enough and follow that stalk to the ground to make sure you picked the right one out of loads.

I can imagine picking cabbages would be tough too.

This idea that young people are more likely to walk out of shit jobs now than they were in the past is mystifying. People certainly did this in recent decades too, not least because it was easier to get a replacement job than it is now. I suppose it wasn't entitled snowflaking when my dad did this in the late 70s because he thought his boss was a cunt, as it's impossible for any behaviour to meet that definition if it occurred before 2010.

The original snowflakes speech was written by the author of Fight Club to mock toxic masculinity. The character who gives the speech is literally a hallucination from a sad, insecure individual.

I don’t know why it’s always young people who are snowflakes. Try building a new housing development near a village full of old people. Then you’ll see some entitled snowflake behaviour.

I’m sick of people calling the younger generation snowflakes.It makes them sound like a right dick. I’ve noticed it creeping in on MN a lot recently but if anyone dares say anything about pensioners ageism gets screeched from the rooftops and the post gets deleted. It should work both ways.

Exactly! Lots of ageism and double standards on mn.

Just to reiterate I was mocking the DM comments by putting snowflake in the title here.

We have had both local and EU workers over the years and with the exception of our longest employee who has been here over 25 years since FILs time and is local, generally the EU workers are very fast at harvesting veg, much more even than experienced locals. They are also keen to work long hours and would work weekends etc if we wanted, in fact usually go to other farms for weekends and some evenings. However they may not for example be as tidy with tractor work etc so it's swings and roundabouts. On a huge farm in England (we are NI) however the migrant workers are invaluable as locals just wont take the work (according to friends who farm in Lincs). Currently both our employees are local however one is thinking of moving on in the summer so that is likely to change.

I don't understand why people think it is a bad thing that the UK population doesn't want to do hard manual work for long hours for little pay and would rather work elsewhere. I think it's good that our citizens want good employment conditions, pay and rights.

I also don't understand that some people think that it's ok to employ people from Eastern Europe, say that they are "better" at these manual jobs than those from the UK and that they are happy to work long hours for low pay and think that's a good thing. We shouldn't foistering off our rubbish jobs on people from other countries and say it's ok because they are happy to work hard for low wages. The jobs should be improved and payed better.

I hate the argument that we should stay in the EU because then we can get other people to do the jobs which aren't good enough for people from the UK.

And yes, we should pay 4xs as much for a cabbage so that people picking them can have better wages and shorter hours.

Regarding the make-up thing according to DH the Eastern European girls at his work love their make-up and nice clothes and come to work very highly produced. There have been a few incidents with girls who've come in some rather revealing outfits which has proved rather distracting apparently.

As regards of the balance of people that have work ethic and those who don't he says it started out with Europeans being harder workers but it doesn't always pan out like that long term and it depends on the individual. Some are very hard working, some aren't. They have had a bit of both.

Agricultural work is hard but there's no reason absolutely anyone can learn. When I was a child all workers were local and even if you didn't work on a farm often you got asked to help come harvest as they always needed extra people. I've done wheat, barley, fruit picking and even milking to help.

As others have said, its a case of getting used to it.

I once had a summer factory job which involved standing all day by a conveyer belt in a cold room. I'd never had a job which involved constant repetition let alone standing up all day and I kept falling behind and going home utterly exhausted - I found out what "dead on my feet" really meant.

By the end of my first week and a half or so I was as quick as anyone else and still feeling energetic at the end of the day.

I suppose picking cabbages is the same.. after a bit, you get used to it

Another thing is I think it's not comparing like for like. If our youth could go of to another country to make 6 times the minimum wage and come back after a few years to buy a house outright they would probably work much harder in shit jobs.

Once someone is in the UK long term they pretty much get the same attitude of shit jobs from what I gather.

Can we talk about the way science is presented in the Daily Mail?

Our youth do go abroad to earn peanuts in shit jobs. How do you think Australia gets its fruit picked?