To think that males shouldn't be working in a women's domestic abuse refuge?

[mumnotmam]

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/womens-refuges-may-get-transgender-staff-3txhcr8mb

Current situation

Women's Aid allow trans-identified males who have a gender recognition certificate to work in their refuges. (This means that these individuals have been diagnosed by a doctor as having gender dysphoria and are legally classed as women - although they don't need to have had or intend to have any hormone treatment or surgery and indeed the majority chose to keep their penis).

Proposals

Women's Aid is now considering expanding this to allow men who 'self declare' as women to work in their refuges ie males who do not have a diagnosis of gender dysphoria and are legally still men.

AIBU to think this is bonkers and that it is wrong for a women's charity to prioritise the validation of biological males over the safety and well-being of vulnerable, abused women?

You know, I think it's also about a masculinity-free space, a raised-with-male-privilege free space.

Women are conditioned, socialised, and raised from birth with feminine conditioning - conditioned & socialised to listen to men, to cede authority to men, to centre on men's ideas, and to try to please men (and we all struggle against this conditioning).

So I think we need spaces where it's just women - it's a totally different dynamic, and necessary for women to find their voices, to think things through, and to be free to say whatever they need to about their (usually male) abusers. And not have to 'take care' of a man present who might be 'hurt' by women speaking truth about living under patriarchy.

Yes, it's about physical safety. BUt I think it's also about mental & imaginative space to be a woman on your own terms.

Even the kindest most respectful trained male social worker or other kind of worker will change the dynamic, partly because many women are socialised to defer etc etc.

Not ridiculous at all Kubex
While I am firmly of the Not All Men camp I think that any decent man could see that he would not be welcome in a woman's refuge and that the mere act of being there could be very distressing to women. If he really wants to help women escaping domestic violence then I'm sure there are better ways to do it.

Why is it ridiculous Kubex?
Why would a man want to work in a refuge set up by women to house women fleeing from men?

Or are you one of these types who think 'NAMALT' so women always have to be nice and give poor men the benefit of the doubt in every situation? Fact is men cause women problems. You may not have been on the receiving end of it, but I have, far too many times to be told NAMALT.

I remember a long long time ago when it was all heart wrenching stories about trans women and it was only about the toilets. And what's the harm you paranoid, bigoted harpies? These people suffered, let them pee in peace.

And when the argument of sports,prisons, refuges came they always said it won't happen. It's happening!!!

Pinky333777 Gender shouldn't really come into it.
You're right. Gender doesn't come into it. Biological sex does though.

Not ridiculous, most, if not all men I know realise that a women's refuge will have women escaping mostly men and would feel safer if they didn't have one hanging around.

Let's face it, a man qualified in any way to care for others, suddenly deciding he is actually a laydee and using those qualifications, experience and feelz to apply to work in a place specifically for vulnerable women is not very bright at best, showing no real thought or empathy for others, so not suitable in any way to work in a women's refuge. Common sense is an unwritten requirement of any job role for a start.

This is why we need female-only services:

www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/02/when-i-was-raped-it-was-female-only-spaces-helped-me-recover