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Dog passports

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springtulip · 27/01/2018 21:24

Aibu to think it's a bit daft to all of a sudden have to have a passport showing proof of a rabies jab for your dog to travel between the UK and Ireland. There ISNT any rabies in either country. Is there any point at all.

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rosesarered9 · 27/01/2018 21:25

It's not 'all of a sudden'. This has been the case for years.

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springtulip · 27/01/2018 21:29

It isn't, we've been taking our dog backwards and forwards for years, never ever been asked for one. It's a new thing, even on Irish ferries, P&O and stena's old websites it states they are not required. Now they are.

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PositivelyPERF · 27/01/2018 21:32

Well maybe they’re getting prepared for Brexit. If the uk and NI isn’t going to be part of the eu, this is only the tip of the iceberg.

NaughtToThreeSadOnions · 27/01/2018 21:32

Well its been in place for at least the last 5 years.

I dont know how long youve been takong your dog back and forth and how often

But the last 5 years is not all of a sudden

CeeCeeMacFay · 27/01/2018 21:34

This has been the case on stena line ferries for several years

NaughtToThreeSadOnions · 27/01/2018 21:35

Pet pasports have actally been reqiired for the last 10 years or more its just been part of the special arrangements between the uk and ireland that theyve veen a littlr laize faire with them.

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springtulip · 27/01/2018 21:46

naught it is all of a sudden, they might have been "officially" required but no one asked presumably because they knew the futility of it, but now they ARE asking. But my aibu is....what is the point when we don't have rabies. Nothing's changed. It seems pointless.

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NaughtToThreeSadOnions · 27/01/2018 21:47

It isn't all of a sudden at all! I was asked 5 years ago, 5 years ago isn't all of a sudden

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springtulip · 27/01/2018 22:16

Well i wasn't, so it's all of a sudden to me. Just for interest, did you have one?

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isseywithcats · 27/01/2018 22:20

its probably because a lot of dogs living in england now are imported from possible rabies countries as rescues and some of them dont have genuine passports, respectable rescues abroad do of course supply genuine dog passports but unscrupulous people dont and i would rather pay for a dog to be genuinely covered than take the risk of rabies spreading

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springtulip · 27/01/2018 22:34

issey if that is the case i would be perfectly satisfied in having to get a rabies jab for my dog. (which i have now) As long as there's good reason for something i don't have a problem. As far as i know though, at present there is no recorded case of rabies in Britain. As long as it's not a senseless rule i don't mind at all.

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TemptressofWaikiki · 27/01/2018 22:39

First of all, it’s not all of a sudden or at all, a new system. But secondly, Ireland is part of the EU pet travel scheme and thus dogs from other countries can travel to and from member states. This means, a similar means of control of microchips and up to date vaccination is required for dogs traveling to the UK.

TemptressofWaikiki · 27/01/2018 22:41

PS: I am rescuing another greyhound from Ireland and thus having to pay for the vaccination and passport. I accept that as much as I would from any other EU country.

NaughtToThreeSadOnions · 27/01/2018 22:45

Yep I had one because I knew I needed one. No I understood that you hadn't been. I said it was in place for the last five years because I knew it was the case. It was you who chose to argue.

It's always been the case that they've been needed. It's just the British and Irish ports have been liaise faire with it. The same way as a relative of mine went in to the port near cork a few years ago and didn't once get his passport checked.

I do suspect the tightening up has to do with the tightening up of the boarders both sides since brexit.

But the rule has always been in place, the fact you've not been asked lucky you, but it's not all of a sudden

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springtulip · 27/01/2018 23:25

naught i thought it was you who set a rather argumentative tone....but my main aibu was about the point of a rabies jab when there isn't rabies in either country. It's the rabies aspect of the passport, not the passport itself. Rather than address that you chose to pick up on the bit where i said "all of a sudden".

Apart from that I'm surprised that you "knew you needed one" when even on the ferry companies websites they clearly stated that dog passports between the Uk and Ireland are not required.

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springtulip · 27/01/2018 23:27

temptress it is all of a sudden.

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springtulip · 27/01/2018 23:31

www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-3778339/Thanks-EU-regulations-pets-travelling-Britain-Ireland-need-200-passports-MailOnline-writer-pug-Mabel-set-sail-discover-s-worth-cost.html

This article shows that it is only recently they were required, as in the ferry companies actually asking for them

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NaughtToThreeSadOnions · 27/01/2018 23:34

How by stating the fact that they've been in place for 5 years. So basically any one who says it's not all of a sudden. And by the way I'm not the only one who said it wasn't all of a sudden cee also tells you it's not all of a sudden is being arguementive? Okay then.

Fact it's not all of a sudden.
Here's this conversation
Why do dogs need passports between uk and Ireland all of a sudden
Poster one: its been that way for years.
You: no it hasn't
Me: well it's been the case for the last 5 years five years isn't really all of a sudden, I don't know how often you've taken your dog back and forth (maybe you haven't in the last 5 years)
Ceecee: you've needed them on stena for years
Someone else: maybe it's brexit
You it is all of sudden naught
Me: well I needed one five years ago so not all of a sudden
You well I didn't
Me lucky you but technically you have needed one. Not all that f a sudden

I notice your not arguing with ceecee or anyone else

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springtulip · 27/01/2018 23:38

temptress i've accepted it too, i don't have a choice, but that doesnt mean we should blindly accept something that seems unnecessary without questioning the logic of it. Even my vet said it's ridiculous, it's only recently he's had to start doing them. "EU bureaucracy" at it's worse he said.

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NaughtToThreeSadOnions · 27/01/2018 23:40

I looked it up on the gov.uk pages Op I didn't look on the ferry pages, well I did after I'd checked on the gov.uk pages I also asked my vet, actually my vet mentioned it to me. I said I'm going home to see my cousins, do you think Puppy will be alright in the car for the duration of the crossing.
Vet yes food and water or you could use the onboard kennels but what you will need is a pet passport.
So looked up what getting a pet passport involved as I thought about not taking puppy and just asking children's dad to look after her.

It was only once I decided puppy was coming with us and I had the pet passport in my hand did I look at ferry that she'd be allowed to travel with us.

NaughtToThreeSadOnions · 27/01/2018 23:42

It doesn't matter about the rabies bit that's just a general requirement of a pet passport. That requirement has been in place since the beginning of pet passports which isn't all of a sudden

NaughtToThreeSadOnions · 27/01/2018 23:44

God children's dad - god children were coming with me cos their their cousins too

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springtulip · 27/01/2018 23:47

naught i've said the same to temptress for heavens sake, and i'm sorry but i'll say it again, IT IS ALL OF A SUDDEN",
Even my vet has said it's only now he's had to start doing them.

You still haven't answered my main aibu, the point of a rabies jab between the two countries. So what about Brexit, it still doesn't explain why a rabies jab is needed. That wasn't a satisfactory answer why they need a rabies jab.

But carry on with your incessant "i've had mine for 5 years", well more fool you, because you didn't damn well need it. But carry on, you sound like you love a good argument.

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minsmum · 27/01/2018 23:52

I took my dog on Irish ferries in September, yes they said we technically needed a pet passport but we didn't have one and it was okay. However on the way back they were randomly checking photo id which i didn't have either, i go across at least twice a year. I think they must be tightening up their checks so I will be getting a pet passport next month

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springtulip · 27/01/2018 23:52

Btw i need to make it clear.....pet passports are absolutely necessary, i don't need anyone to preach to me about that. But NOT between Uk and Ireland. They should not be necessary, i've never met anyone yet that thinks so. except on here

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