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to think this is setting people up to fail

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Basecamp21 · 23/01/2018 14:09

About 8 months ago I became aware something was going badly wrong in my brothers life. I get on well with him but not seeing him for several months was not unusual. He had been an advisor in a CAB and commuting to London, he had lived in his private rented flat for 15 years since a relationship breakdown and had access to his children every other weekend.

I was contacted by a Bailiff who had arrived to evict him from his home. He had had a major mental breakdown and had not even rung in sick to his employer so had been sacked and had not signed on for benefits and so had not had any rent paid. His electric had been cut off and he was living in the dark off jam sandwiches and cigarettes he was buying on his credit card from the garage over the road from his flat. He literally had gone from working professionally to street homeless in 4 months. Luckily the bailiff recognised what he was seeing and got my number off him and called me.

We could not save his home but after a fight got the council to accept their duty to house him, got him to GP and mental health team etc. He was in hospital for a bit and then placed in a homeless B&B 6 months ago. Without me to contact he would have been street homeless without a doubt.

He called me yesterday to say he has been offered a flat and had to view it today. He called me today to say he has got the flat and has to move in now.

And I mean NOW - he can only return to the hostel to pick up his Clothes. He has no bed/kettle/cooker absolutely nothing as everything was lost when he lost his home. There is carpet but no curtains. He has a referral to furniture charities to provide stuff but this will take at least a week . He will have no radio/TV or internet connection so will just have to sit there.

So someone with severe depression has got to move in under these conditions immediately - not even 24hrs to get some stuff together.

My brother is lucky as I am here and can afford to take him out this evening after work to get a kettle and a microwave and I have a camp bed and folding chairs he can use but I can't help feeling if I was not here he would simply lie on the floor and not get up. He knows I will ensure everything happens that needs to, but I work and cannot just not go in tomorrow.

My daughter and her 4 children were made homeless 12 months ago when the landlord sold the house she had lived in for 5 years and she is living with me so having him at mine is not possible. He will have a support worker but they are not coming to meet him and help sort things out until a week after he has to move in.

I know exactly what I need to do so am not looking for any advice but aibu in thinking this is horrific - if someone had no relatives to help a vulnerable person like this would just be left in an empty flat with no way of feeding themselves or anything to sleep on and nothing to distract them from the nightmare going on inside their head!

I am not suggesting they should be given everything but a couple of days to get the basics together surely is not asking for too much. It would give a much greater chance of making the tenancy successful if people could have something in place before having to move in, certainly have a support worker in place. It is so short sighted - surely everyone want new tenancies to work. Otherwise this will just be another incredibly expensive eviction and homeless hostel again.

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missyB1 · 23/01/2018 15:40

YANBU what would happen to him without you?? It doesn't bear thinking about. But there will be people in his position who dont have a lovely you in their lives, and those poor people will sink like a stone.

I watched a documentary about a mum in a very similar situation, the council offered her a flat but it was totally bare, nothing in it and she had nothing. SS took her kids as they said kids needed beds etc.. But how was she supposed to magic those things up from nowhere??! she had no support whatsoever, it reduced me to tears just watching.

barefoofdoctor · 23/01/2018 15:59

When I was given my council home I was on the bones of my arse with only friends to support me. I was pregnant and a DV victim. My house had no carpets, curtains or anything but I bought as I could afford. I also suffer severe depression, anxiety and a serious long term health condition. I was and still thrilled with my tiny house and couldn't have cared less if I had to sleep on the floor - I had a safe and lovely little home of my own. I was completely un medicated throughout my pregnancy as my long list of medications aren't safe for use in pregnancy. The council chap who came to hand over my keys said he'd never seen anyone as happy or excited to get a council house (ungrateful fuckers). Thankfully I was so Ill I barely left the house for a good couple of years so managed to save save save. (I am on disability benefits due to multiple mis-diagnosis and fuckups by the hospital and would have an excellent case for suing the NHS but I don't like that idea. If anyone has a problem with this I really couldn't give a shiny shit). What i sm saying is yes it is bloody hard but your btother has a home and us extremely lucky for that alone. It is his choice to cutl up and die, so to speak or make a go of things. Initially I had a list of things to 'manage that day, ie brush teeth. The crisis team are massively over stretched and always at the other end of the phone and you really do have to just get on with things as best you can.

barefoofdoctor · 23/01/2018 16:02

Apologies for typos. You know , illness and emotive subject.

Neolara · 23/01/2018 16:04

I hope this is the start of a happier chapter in your brother's life. Sounds like it has been very difficult for him.

LakieLady · 23/01/2018 16:35

Ime this is pretty usual. Council budgets are under so much pressure, that they can't afford to keep people in B&B or keep properties empty a minute longer than they absolutely have to.

I have had to take clients to Halfords to buy a blow up bed before now, and then into B&Q for a cheap kettle. Thankfully, where I live all the councils fund a scheme to provide essential items for people on means-tested benefits. "Essential" means a cooker, a bed and a fridge, and a washing machine if there is no launderette within 5 miles.

Your brother should be entitled to a social fund loan (ring DWP for this) and I bet he's probably entitled to PIP too.

LakieLady · 23/01/2018 16:47

It's presumably driven by space pressure which may have unduly influenced any risk assessment of whether you brother could cope

In almost 11 years, I have never, ever had someone housed from a hostel or from b&b with a risk assessment, save for one carried out by MH services which solely relates to risk to staff working with them.

Once upon a time, almost every area had a floating support service which provided tenancy, homelessness and resettlement support to vulnerable people. They were usually funded from the Adult Social Care budget. Because of the pressure on those budgets, they have been cut to the point that their eligibility criteria have become more and more restrictive and in many areas, ceased to exist completely.

I know of 3 schemes in the south-east alone that are facing cuts of 50-75% in future financial years. I'm very glad that I'm only 3 years off retirement. Even if my job still exists in 3 years time, I'm not sure I'd still want to do it when there is so little I can actually do to help people.

This is what austerity means. The number of vulnerable people on the streets is rising inexorably, and soon there will be no-one at all left to help them, apart from a few volunteers.

MrsLupo · 23/01/2018 17:30

It's sad how many people on this thread are saying, well, tough, that's the way it is. I would rather live in a society that had made some grown up assessments about how much better it is for all of us when vulnerable people are not left to sink or swim. Mumsnet is like Top Girls sometimes, and not in a good way.

saltandvinegarcrisps1 · 23/01/2018 17:40

MrsLupo i agree. Theres a whole lot of people one pay packet away from homelessness. But still the super wealthy keep piling up their cash like the execs in the carillion fiasco. Also disagree with those who say " I managed therefore so should everyone else" - a bit too Katie Hopkins thinking for me. Hope your brother gets himself sorted OP.

whippswhapswound · 23/01/2018 19:26

My sister has special needs (deaf, learning disability, social comm) and also MH needs. She had to move under similar circumstances after a stint in hospital. Not only MH but not functionally able to sort the flat (cant read, process) let only really do much alone. This despite even having a social worker due to her special needs and being ‘supported’ by another agency. Didn’t inform me either despite knowing they should, so I found a day late her in this cold flat unable to work out what to do.

To add to it 6 months later they called in aggressive debt collectors (a real bully boy firm) as she didn’t fill in the dual housing benefit form she was given (see above about not reading...)

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