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To think that the NHS has lost the plot

46 replies

Whatnextxx · 21/01/2018 21:17

Regardless of your stance on the issue of "transgender ideology" how can anyone in their right minds possibly sanction the NHS NOT offering cervical smear tests to women who think they are men? Or conversely men thinking they are women being called up for tests on organs they do not possess? Please read the entire pdf before commenting, thank you:

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/623309/Transgender_cross_programme_screening_leaflet.pdf

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Hoppinggreen · 21/01/2018 22:10

Presumably women ( even if they have transitioned into men) are aware that if they possess a cervix they are at risk of cervical cancer?
If they aren’t called for a smear there is no reason they can’t book one anyway

Whatnextxx · 21/01/2018 22:15

grumpygiraffe - thank you so much for your negative input - I am sure you must feel so "validated" by describing and labelling me as being transphobic (which incidentally is another invented term to shut down debate and discussion) you must be so proud

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Whatnextxx · 21/01/2018 22:17

PeaceLoveAndDixie - are you suggesting that women described themselves as "cervix owners"? That is seriously sad

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unplugmefromthematrix · 21/01/2018 22:31

The King of Ink bloke is the living proof that going any further with self-IDing gender is bonkers and dangerous.

He has unilaterally redefined what it means to be transgender (wonder how transactivists will like that!!) but god only knows how he might choose to exploit that freedom seeing as he (like many transactivists) wants words to mean whatever he indivudally wants them to mean regardless of any presexisting or legal defintion.

This is the epitome of the danger that many of us have been warning about and we need to get more people to see the story.

I think some unenlightended peole think that deciding to be transgender is has no more consequence than filling out a form and putting down 'Jedi' as your religion.

peachgreen · 21/01/2018 22:51

What a weird thing to get up in arms about. It's literally an IT issue. If someone born female prefers to be registered as male at the doctor, they need to understand that this will, at the current time, prevent them from getting automatic reminders for smear tests etc.

Eventually they'll implement a new system which will, I imagine, allow patients to register as female at birth but identifying as a man, etc, which will prevent this kind of issue. Though I'm sure you'll be equally irate about that.

For the record, "gender bender" is a slur.

Regularsizedrudy · 21/01/2018 23:02

I’m so sick of these stupid fucking threads. They are listed as a woman on the system at the doctors therefore they get the reminders for smears etc because A FUCKING COMPUTER SYSTEM HAS NO WAY OF KNOWING IF THEY HAVE A CERVIX. Jesus Christ not everything is some fucking trans conspiracy, it’s just the way the information is recorded. These people just want to live their lives and bashing the NHS when they are doing their fucking best is disgusting.

Whatnextxx · 21/01/2018 23:43

Take a chill pill Regular, perhaps if we stopped pretending that men can become women and vice versa then the NHS would not be wasting time money and effort on these vocal minorities at the expense of womens and mens health?

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Whatnextxx · 21/01/2018 23:54

Delightful Regular are you always so engaging?

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GetDownDog · 22/01/2018 00:09

I'm way beyond peak trans, but the PDF sounds sensible.
If a transman registers as male at a GP surgery it is their responsibility to ensure they sign up for smears, the system wouldn't cope if all men's records had to be trawled through to see if they were actually women.
Perhaps a leaflet like this is good so that they are aware of it.

My peak trans is mainly about aggressive TRAs though, not everyday trans people getting on with their lives.

peachgreen · 22/01/2018 00:39

The unbelievable irony of you complaining about the use of the term 'transphobic' while defending your right to use an actual, full-on transphobic slur. Good grief.

There is no excuse for using language like that, and no excuse for labelling everyone who would object to the use of such a term - trans and non-trans - as "very unpleasant individuals".

There are plenty of posters here who are able to put forward your side of the debate in a sensible, respectful and well-considered manner. You are an embarrassment to their efforts, quite frankly.

TrinitySquirrel · 22/01/2018 02:13

"Here lets add a tick box which we will use to determine who gets what... we'll label it 'biological sex' or 'sex at birth'" ... said no genius in the NHS ever.

Fucking useless admin team there isn't there.

TrinitySquirrel · 22/01/2018 02:17

Regular - but they're not a fucking woman. Are they. There should be an option for what someone identifies as and what they were at birth/genetically. Then guess what... the computer can figure that out can't it.

It's not hard Hmm

RhodaBorrocks · 22/01/2018 02:44

Trinity, speaking as someone who has worked in NHS IT, let me tell you they have been trying to update various systems to this effect for several years now.

However, the NHS does not use one homogenous system. At my Trust there were over 20 different IT systems in use, more when you included the community systems.

These systems aren't made in-house (usually). Therefore the NHS has to pay money to companies to update these systems, often at a cost of thousands each. Often there are limitations on how many changes can be made or how many fields can be included before the program gets too slow to run.

Some NHS systems still run on DOS. They are that antiquated. They don't allow someone listed as male to be added to a gynae clinic, or soneine listed as female to a prostate cancer clinic. The computers have only just been upgraded to Windows Vista. There is no money in NHS budgets to get new systems which would need to run on even newer computers.

So no, it's not "fucking useless" admins at all. There are whole teams of people trying to tackle this issue- I have been one of them.

The reason this has crept up on the NHS so quickly is because being transgender has really come to the fore only in the past few years. Several years ago if we received a complaint that a system had misgendered a patient we would write a generic apology but take no notice. Now we are bound by the equalities act and internal policy to make sure that all patients have equal access to services and that we do not create a barrier to that. Our Transgender policy was an absolute fucking nightmare to write and ratify, because no matter what we do we'll upset someone, so we're fucked whatever we do and it went through so many rewrites. There wasn't even an official NHS England Transgender polcy to base it on at the time! And we couldn't even begin to update the computer systems until the policy was written.

Chouetted · 22/01/2018 03:21

It's quite beyond me why anyone could think this was new, it's been this way for years for all the reasons Rhoda has explained.

I opted out of screening about six years ago (for different reasons), and it was mentioned then in the literature I read before doing so.

Or do you only jump on injustices when you can link them to your favourite political hobby horse?

thebewilderness · 22/01/2018 03:40

There is a simple solution to the confusion gender transitioning causes and that is to add gender designations to the sex designations instead of replacing the sex designation with gender. I do not think it too much trouble to tick two boxes so that people can get the care they need and the health care system can operate smoothly.

theForeigner · 22/01/2018 05:49

How are women being put at risk? If they self-identify as men then they don't get a reminder to have a mammogram or smear test. Guess what, they can book one anyway. They can also decide that self-identification is not appropriate in medical situations.

This is yet another boring anti-gender and anti-trans thread written by a poster with little understanding but a real chip on their shoulder. At least this one wasn't quite as anti-men as they usually are though.

JustHooking · 22/01/2018 07:49

OP there is no need to be do fucking pompous
I know you can't change sex but the law says you can
If you officially change sex you will be invited for the screening offered to that sex
It is the individuals responsibility to make sure they get the screening they need once they have registered as the wrong sex
It's not the fault of the NHS you arse

JustHooking · 22/01/2018 07:50

Anyway transmen have much more to worry about
Testosterone wrecks the body

thebewilderness · 22/01/2018 20:42

Can you mandate belief?
Can you codify into law the idea that some people can mind over matter themselves out of material reality and into the opposite sex and must be treated accordingly?
It is like transubstantiation. A belief that no one actually believes.
Will you allow people to drug and mutilate children based on this belief that no one believes?

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