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AIBU to take co-codamol while breastfeeding a toddler?

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cocodamol · 19/01/2018 11:05

Can anyone help me figure out if it's OK to take a very occasional dose of codeine for back pain please?

There seem to be some warnings about using it while breastfeeding, but as far as I can work out these apply only rarely, and fairly specifically to very young babies of mothers who take it over a period of several days. I'm feeding a toddler (2 years 9 months) just once a day at bedtime, and would like to take a single occasional dose soon after I've fed him, to relieve pain so I can sleep.

It would be 2 tablets x 500mg paracetamol and 30mg codeine, maybe one dose every week or so. That's not going to harm my child, is it?

I do wish there was more and better info in the "pregnancy and breastfeeding" bit of the medicines information sheets!

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HollyBollyBooBoo · 19/01/2018 14:56

Fab news! Happy sleeping!

sirlee66 · 19/01/2018 15:03

Hiya, so sorry to jump on and de-rail but, I'm expecting my first baby in April and planning to breastfeed (fingers crossed) I was just wondering why you breastfeed your nearly 3 year old? (No hate at all! Totaly respect your decision. I am just Wondering if I should too?) Are there any benifits or is it bonding etc? Sorry I don't know!

My friend has stopped at 6 months and another at 1 year so I was just wondering. So sorry to hijack but didn't want to start a new thread when you are clearly the perfect lady to ask!

You sound like a lovely mummy!! I hope I'm as good as you!!

Pixiedust1973 · 19/01/2018 15:06

Of course its fine. You're feeding a child & then taking the co-codamol after & not feeding the child for another 23 and a half hours. It is well & truly gone from your system by then! I take this stuff every day & it wears off quickly. I take it 4 times a day every 4 hours, plus tramadol & methocarbamol. I wish it lasted that long lol. Grin You're talking of one dose after feeding, not before!

user1471495191 · 19/01/2018 21:13

So pleased the Breastfeeding Network were able to help! And so glad we have them as a resource.

Lucylululu · 20/01/2018 07:09

I researched the same thing and from what I can tell if depends on the individual child as to whether it will be okay as some babies have a bad reaction to it. So just because it was fine for someone doesn't mean it will be fine for you, and just because it wasn't fine doesn't mean it won't be! So definitely speak to your doctor. (Sorry, probably the most unhelpful reply ever!)

HicDraconis · 20/01/2018 07:24

To all the new mothers reading this thread - it’s not fine to take codeine when ebf a baby. Yes it’s what used to be given - but advice changes over time and codeine is definitely something that’s now changed.

Codeine is a “pro drug” - it is metabolised to its active form. For most people that’s fine, they metabolise it relatively inefficiently and get a small amount of morphine equivalent from it. A small group of people can’t metabolise it at all and it doesn’t work for them. Another small group of people are “ultra metabolisers” and convert nearly all of a codeine dose to morphine equivalent. This group is the one that have dangers breastfeeding (as its excreted into milk and the baby gets far more than it should, causing respiratory depression and apnoeas). However unless you’ve had genetic testing it’s impossible to know which group you are in, hence codeine is no longer recommended for breastfeeding mothers at all. There have been infant deaths linked to maternal codeine use (not overuse, just ultra rapid metabolisers taking doses within normally prescribed limits).

That said - the OP’s situation is different. A 2yo toddler getting one feed at night almost 24h after a dose the day before won’t be getting a huge amount of morphine equivalent and should be fine even if OP is an ultra metaboliser.

(Obstetric anaesthetist, happy to verify qualifications with MN if required.)

uthredswife · 20/01/2018 07:47

Thank you thank you to the above poster. I'm really alarmed by the amount of woman above who were.prescribed it with newborns.

My kids are 7 and 4.5 and the advise on both was to avoid codiene. However as toddlers I took it occasionally with no problems for tooth pain. Lactmed is a great app with evidence based info

Also Wendy in the BFN is like an angel, she is just amazing.

userabcname · 20/01/2018 07:50

It's quite terrifying that they are giving it out so freely on maternity wards then....!!!!

DrRanjsRightEyebrow · 20/01/2018 07:50

Wendy is an angel! I was prescribed co-codamol for my back and told it was fine whilst bf'ing (a 4 year old once a day) I took two and felt SO high that I suddenly doubted GP's advice. I skipped the feed that night. 15 hours rule is good to know.

DrRanjsRightEyebrow · 20/01/2018 07:53

Wondering if I'm an ultra metaboliser? Do others feel similarly off their chops after just 2 tablets?

uthredswife · 20/01/2018 08:22

"out of me bin" would be how I would describe how it made me feel 😁.

It was scary how high it made me, but it did help the tooth pain

PocketCoffeeEspresso · 20/01/2018 09:02

Codeine 'just works' for me - doesn't make me feel high or woozy, but whatever the pain was, it's gone.

Mind you, I had a shot of morphine having my first (not uk) and didn't feel like I got anything from it (mind you there was also a later scandal where someone had been stealing morphine and replacing it with water so who knows) so I might be one of those barely metabolizes types

PocketCoffeeEspresso · 20/01/2018 09:06

Sorry just re-read the post - my morphine experience has nothing to do with how I metabolize codeine... well unless there are people who just don't respond much to morphine.

Gunpowder · 20/01/2018 09:17

Thanks for your post Hic This is a bit worrying. I have only taken codeine once and it made me feel so out of it I have never taken it again. However I was prescribed dihydrocodeine in the maternity ward after having my twins (easy vaginal birth) I only asked for paracetamol or ibuprofen for afterpains and I was breastfeeding. I am glad I didn’t take the codeine due to my previous experience, particularly as the twins weren’t big.

lljkk · 20/01/2018 09:34

I had prescribed cocodamol for afterbirth afterpains (so still breastfeeding a very tiny one). Life saver. You can check dosages, but I wouldn't have even thought about worrying about it if I were OP with toddler.

myfannyhurts · 20/01/2018 09:48

HicDraconis — I have had the genetic testing as part of a research study when I was living in America, and it confirmed that I am an ultra rapid metabolizer for several classes of drugs, including codeine and other opiates. I have fairly severe chronic back pain as the result of a car accident and subsequent botched surgery. I take strong painkillers to function on a daily basis, although I reduced it to a weaker opiate during pregnancy and coped by staying on bed rest for most of it. In general pregnancy is much more medicalized in America, so like most women there I saw an OB for routine pregnancy appointments. Then because of my medication and the fact that I was 39, I was also regularly seen by a maternal-fetal medicine specialist. I had a planned c-section so an anesthetist and neonatologist were both involved in the birth — in America this is routine for all sections. In the hospital the baby was examined by three different pedicatricians for routine checkups— again routine, as they work on a rota and I was in for 3 days. While in hospital I was also seen by at least two breastfeeding consultants to help get BFing started and establish the correct latch. After we came home, I took the baby to our usual pediatrician on the normal schedule, which was quite frequent in the first six weeks and tapered down thereafter. (There are no health visitors in America , everyone just sees the pediatrician.)

Each and every one of these professionals was well aware of my situation. It was discussed of course, and a close eye was kept on the baby, but there were no objections. I was also prescribed hydrocodone/acetaminophen for the post c-section pain, which I took for about 10 days and then went back to my regular medication. Of course with a newborn you can’t schedule BFing so I just fed on demand. I was extremely concerned about the baby of course, but he was perfect. He put on weight quickly and was happy and responsive. Unfortunately once I actually had to function and care for my family, I couldn’t manage my pain with meds that were safe for BFing, so in consultation with my doctors I decided to stop BFing and go back on my pre-pregnancy meds.

I’m telling you my experience because I thought you might find it interesting as a clinician and because there may be others reading who have been through similar, but despite my own experiences you are right that I shouldn’t have told OP it was fine. I’m not a doctor and even if I was I shouldn’t give out medical advice on an anonymous message board. If something ever happened to a baby because of what I said I would never forgive myself. So OP, please try to see a doctor, and don’t rely on my anecdotal experience. For all you know I could be making this all up. (I’m not, but still.)

I do think, though, that people who haven’t experienced severe unremitting pain can’t understand what it feels like. Some PPs told OP to take it but only if she really needs it — and I thought, DUH, did they think she was taking it for a mild passing ache?? It was clear from her OP that she is a caring mum, and no caring mum would consider popping pills during BFing if it wasn’t absolutely necessary. If you haven’t been in that position it’s hard to understand.

On a different note, OP if you are still reading, can I gently suggest that now might be a good time to consider giving up breastfeeding? You’ve done an amazing job getting this far and I’m frankly in awe, but the fact is that BFing is NOT easy on your back. I don’t judge extended BFing at all, but at this point the benefit to your child is very small, and it may very well be outweighed by your need to care for yourself. Running after a toddler is hard work! You need to make sure you are in the best possible position to meet your child’s needs and those needs change over time. I sympathize with your situation and wish you the best of luck.

cocodamol · 23/01/2018 21:25

Thanks everyone.

can I gently suggest that now might be a good time to consider giving up breastfeeding?

I know I could just stop now but (from being very hard to start with) it is actually easier to breastfeed him now than not to! I'm on my own with him and it's extremely helpful sometimes to have an almost completely infallible way of a) keeping him quiet, b) soothing him, c) making him sleepy and d) filling his belly a little bit.

I almost always only feed him at bedtime, which means I have something I can say "stop messing about or no milk!" about right up to the bit where he gets really sleepy. Bedtimes without it wouldn't be impossible, but I'm often very tired myself by that time with an aching back, and anything that helps get him in bed asleep nice and efficiently is very useful. I fed him lying down for a long time but I now do this one feed propped up on cushions in bed, which is fine for my back and much easier than chasing him around trying to put him back in his bed.

It's only once a day but means I can also do it at other times if ever useful, e.g. to keep him quiet so we didn't have to leave the evening panto we went to before xmas, or so I can occasionally stay out at a big outdoor thing with friends - my opportunities to socialise with adults are very limited so being able to keep my kid happily either awake or asleep without going home can sometimes make a huge difference to my social life.

Plus if there's any chance at all that he'll suffer even one less cold than he'd have caught without the breastmilk antibodies then that's a total bonus for me too, since if he doesn't sleep well then I don't either (and my back pain is worse when I don't get enough sleep).

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