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To buy a diesel car for our family of 5?

114 replies

Foxjar · 13/01/2018 09:56

We need a gutsy car for our family of 5 which include 3 teens. Not brand new but newish.

The only cars big enough with a decent engine for what we need it to do( carry 3 teens in decent seats with space,cope with loads of luggage and long journeys)in our price range are diesel. They have Adblue which puts it in the second to top emissions band i.e. much better than many petrol cars.

When you take into account the damage electric cars do to the environment from mining of chemicals needed to make batteries,shipping it,their manufacture and then the fossil fuels burned to produce the electricity there is very little in said slightly low ec emissions grading as far as I can see between the Adblue diesel we're looking at and the top electric cars i.e. morally I see no point.There are no electric cars big enough anyway. All the petrol options have crappier engines. There is one but it is waaaay out of our price range( 60k Volvo).

Soooo what to do? Would buying diesel option be foolhardy? Our car is on its last legs. Could wait a year tops. It's a dirtier older diesel so ideally need to sort this sooner.

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Ilovechocolatetoomuch · 13/01/2018 10:41

Hi we just had a very similar dilemma. There is no perfect car I'm afraid.
We didn't need space for five adults but 3 adults and two big car seats which is similar.

We ended up getting a verso which defo has room for 3 adult across the back. It's 1.8 petrol the mpg isn't great but I mostly do town driving and like you I was worried about diesel and the environment. Look at the zafira or the touran both have good size seats.

Foxjar · 13/01/2018 10:42

Roof rack,bike rack.....

They're going to ban/ restrict petrol cars anyway too eventually. Aaaargh!!!Confused

Trying to work out how much more flying and car hire is(although flying is hardly more carbon friendly). Thing is having the car ww need gives us more flexibility.

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restbiterepeat · 13/01/2018 10:43

You could do as your DH suggests and then just hire a car for when you are hauling all the kids plus luggage.

SuperBeagle · 13/01/2018 10:43

Can't imagine too many people in the UK needing a diesel car.

Diesel is only more efficient when run regularly for lengthy trips. Where I live, this is fine, as it's not out of the ordinary for people to do 2 hour (driving) commutes each way to/from work. But that's hardly the norm in Europe/UK.

Also, I'm not sure how the price of petrol compares to diesel there, but here, the difference is negligible. You'd really want to be getting in the mileage to make it worthwhile.

Foxjar · 13/01/2018 10:45

Had a Zafira before our Estima/ Lucida( had it over 10 years just 1 car for 5). Hated the Zafira,unreliable and too small.

Love our Estima( it's perfect)but dirty,expensive to run and old.

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19lottie82 · 13/01/2018 10:46

I would, without a doubt.

We have 2 cars, a 9 year old 2.0 diesel and a year old 1.4 petrol. The diesel is so much more economical it almost makes me cry every time I have to take the petrol car out!

We will be replacing the diesel car this year and will be getting another without a shadow of a doubt.

Foxjar · 13/01/2018 10:46

We are quite rural.

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19lottie82 · 13/01/2018 10:48

‘Gutsy’ please get over yourself

Oh please...... fuck up!

LadyIsabellaWrotham · 13/01/2018 10:52

Have you done the sums for buying an electric for day to day use and hiring a diesel for travel?
Taxing and insuring and taking the depreciation on two cars is quite a lot of money. OTOH if you’re thinking of 1 year old for the diesel then the depreciation won’t be so bad.

On the subject of particulates, electric vehicles “just moving the problem elsewhere” isn’t an objection to them, it’s the whole point. Particulates and NO2 emissions from diesel are a problem because they kill people in the immediate vicinity. We live in a large country with pockets of very high density population. If we release the particulates and NO2 directly from vehicles in the middle of towns then thousands of people die.

Electric vehicles also emit particles from their brakes of course but I’m assuming that a commute on foot or by bike is not an option.

Strawberrybubblebath · 13/01/2018 10:52

We are buying a new petrol VW Sharan (replacing our current diesel car). There are some AMAZING scrappage deals on older dirty diesels from VW.
Sharans happily fit 7 six-foot rugby players in with plenty of leg room.

PS we bought our current diesel after the government promoted them as being greener than petrol!

lampygirl · 13/01/2018 10:55

Look at BHP and torque rather than engine size as now with turbos etc smaller engines are more powerful. I’ve just got a new (to me, it’s 2nd hand) car that was 8 years newer than the previous one and going from 3l to a 2.2l has actually got me a more powerful car as technology in engines has got better.

I also wouldn’t worry about diesel and LEZ places for a while, remember many HGV are still classed as LEZ compliant...

timeisnotaline · 13/01/2018 10:58

I wouldn’t. I live in London so wouldn’t buy anything that is so bad for air quality. News in recent years seem to show the filter sample results don’t seem to be accurate for real driving, plus they will be phased out. I do see that this is partly my looking after my neighbours at the expense of manufacturing areas but think manufacturing environmental standards will improve.

timeisnotaline · 13/01/2018 11:00

I speaking of being Australian, diesel is not common there and there are lots of tough cars which can do days of bush driving easily while loaded up, so I wouldn’t believe diesel is the only option. Unfortunately I don’t know anything about car details to be actually helpful Blush

Billben · 13/01/2018 11:02

Gutsy’ please get over yourself

Oh, shut up strangerhoesagain.

I drive a car with a 1.0 litre engine and gutsy is not a a word I could ever use to describe it. It suits me and two small children but once my husband gets into it with us, I guarantee you that I won’t make it up a hill in the 5th gear as the car slows down noticeably. No way could my car transport 3 heavy teenagers or lots of luggage without a lot of effort.
You either don’t know the meaning of ‘gutsy’ or you are jealous coz you can’t afford a ‘gutsy’ car.

SisyphusDad · 13/01/2018 11:02

Another thing to bear in mind about diesels is that, unless you do regular (probably at least weekly) long runs at high revs (mine is recommended for 15 minutes at a continuous 2,000 revs - equal to 60mph, but that's an absolute minimum), you will almost inevitably gunge up all that clever pollution control technology (DPF, EGR, catalytic converter) and there will be a high risk of having to replace them. And that's VERY expensive.

Xmaspuddingdisaster · 13/01/2018 11:07

If you fly/hire you’ll need to get a hefty priced car to fit on the other side which will put costs up as will five aeroplane tickets (and luggage allowances) I don’t think that’s a great alternative to taking your own car. Are you planning a sort-of final five years of family holidays before they start moving on? Why not get the car you want with the intention of replacing it when you don’t need to put 5 in it so often?

Spottytop1 · 13/01/2018 11:07

Just be aware that with diesels if you don't do regular weekly long journeys the particle filter gets full quicker as it doesn't have enough mileage to recalibrate. This can end up very costly on a diesel.

I went from 40 miles daily to 12 miles daily due to a job change and it caused real issues...

BishopBrennansArse · 13/01/2018 11:09

My seat Alhambra is great for our family. Yes it's a 2 litre diesel (2017 model) but even under German standards where you need the green stickers to get into some cities it's in the cleanest class.

Carries the five of us plus two powered wheelchairs beautifully. So economical even towing a trailer full of camping gear to Germany and back.

BishopBrennansArse · 13/01/2018 11:10

Oh and we've done 11000 miles in 6 months - regular hospital trips to London

LoniceraJaponica · 13/01/2018 11:16

My Kuga diesel has been brilliant. My driving is mostly motorway driving so it gets a good run regularly. Obviously when it needs replacing I won't get another diesel, but as it has been such a good car I will keep it as long as possible.

Foxjar · 13/01/2018 11:20

Time how?

We don't have lithium and the other chemicals needed in vast quantities. We will need more power stations. I'm uncomfortable with rich city dwellers having a priority over other poorer countries. Neither seem that great but hydrogen is a long way off.

Bishop I think that is on dh's list.

Sisy interesting point.

Xmas that is a good point too. Isn't it 8 years before diesels( and petrols) are going to be fully banned from city centres? So no real advantage of petrol and in 8 years said teens will be off our hands(hopefully Wink).

Arrrrrgh!

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Foxjar · 13/01/2018 11:23

Actually the Alhambra is his favourite option. Any problems with filters?

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Spottytop1 · 13/01/2018 11:24

I meant to add that despite the particle filter issue I love my diesel

Foxjar · 13/01/2018 11:27

Spotty what is regarded as long?

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TonTonMacoute · 13/01/2018 11:30

We are rural too and most people round here still drive diesels.

All cars are polluting, and as you say electric cars are not exactly the perfect alternative a lot of people believe.

We’ve bought a new (secondhand) diesel because it was the best fit for us at this time.

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