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Victim/Martyr complex-is change possible?

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Laurie22 · 05/01/2018 16:22

Is this a victim/martyr complex?

My boyfriend and I broke up a few weeks ago after a year.

Things were fantastic initially but he struggled to make any changes in his life for a relationship-he is ten years older than me so was very set in his ways, and so he went from passionately talking about our future together to obviously panicking etc. In our day to day relationship, he treated me extremely well-the perfect gentleman, was romantic, did lots for me etc but he struggled so much to make any changes to his life and make me a priority, rather than all the other people he looked after-mother, family etc.There are many examples of when he made his unsureness about us clear and he made me feel like a hassle for any tiny adaptions he had to make to his life. He was so caught up in his own doubts, he couldn't see the effect on me. I was so anxious and unhappy that I ended it.

We had done long distance at the very start-I was away for five months after we had only been together six weeks. I found out two months ago that he had met an ex one night out when I was away and the next day, they were texting and he pursued her and asked her out. I read the texts, he has put a stop to it the next day-his conscience caught up with him and nothing happened, but they remained in contact every couple of months with a platonic text, although our relationship was downplayed in it. He was very sorry-blamed it on him having trust issues with me, not really thinking I would come back to him which I knew was the case as he was so crazily insecure, not that that in any way makes it any better. I ended it immediately but I was so heartbroken that we only took a break for a few days and I forgave him. After that, he tried hard to make the adjustments in his life for a normal relationship, but he was obviously struggling as he had never done it before for anyone. It was only when I was going through that heartbreak that the overwhelming hurt over the betrayal with his ex started.

He is heartbroken that we are over now and I has promised me everything etc etc. I was so tempted but am staying strong.

What's wrecking my head is this. He is so obsessed with being a 'good, moral' guy, better than 'typical player' guys. He is a real 'do gooder', very big on principals and being 'wholesome' etc. We could not have been more different-I wouldn't be the 'good girl' stereotype that probably his exs were. I was feeling for a time that he saw himself as being more principled etc than me which annoys me so much with the knowledge of what he did. I saw us as being so different but we were so in love and he had so many lovely qualities. He does lots for people but always has this feeling of being unappreciated. I feel is all comes from his serious lack of self esteem and massive insecurities. As a child, I know he never felt accepted by his dad and even now he seems so eager to please him, so maybe that's one of the reasons for it.

My issue is that he always sees himself as a victim and his worse nightmare is him being seen as anything else other than a really 'good guy' and a 'great boyfriend'.He sees himself as someone who treats girls incredibly well- his relationships ending were always the girls fault. I know that just like me, he struggled with making any changes to his life for the relationships-he seemed unwilling to grow up.

Since breaking up, he has said sorry for making me feel so hurt and insecure for those months he was panicking and for what happened with his ex but he still will not accept that he was anything other than an 'excellent' boyfriend who treated me so well. I have explained numerous times that in many ways he treated me amazingly well, just like I did him, but that by his betrayal and the way he promised me the world and then acted with such unsureness towards me and his resentment for any changes to his life, he did not always treat me well. I told him his actions with the girl were weak and despicable etc and I need to understand why he acted like that when it is against everything he prides himself on being. He can't engage as he can't bear to think of himself in that light and says I am just dredging up old wounds. But when I found out, I was in such shock that it wasn't discussed properly and the hurt is actually much worse now.

He is so unbelievably defensive and throughout our relationship, anytime he was questioned on something he did, he would get unbelievably defensive, not engage with the actual issue and tell me I did not appreciate what a great boyfriend he was.

He seems himself as being a the 'nice guy' who women treat badly and take advantage of. He blames debt on girlfriends as he is so good to them, instead of taking personal responsibility. The thing is, his friends and family, who he does so much for, see him as he sees himself. Its so infuriating when he tells me that everyone says what a great boyfriend he is. He simply cannot understand that being a good guy to all of them does not automatically mean you are an amazing boyfriend and that girlfriends can only be the judge of that.

I feel like I am gone slightly crazy as I love him and care about him so much. Is this a victim/martyr complex? Is there any hope for someone like that. I can't go back there but I do want him to be happy but I think he never will be. He'll always see himself as the nice guy who is taken advantage of and I don't think he'll ever have a lasting relationship. I have made him sound awful probably but he really has such fabulous qualities and he has been so good to me in many ways and I think his huge lack of self esteem is the root cause.

Is there anything I can do?

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MrsTerryPratchett · 05/01/2018 16:26

TBH I always think under all the victim stuff is basic misogyny. He thinks women are cows and he is a saint and his family probably think and say the same.

He's getting into debt and inappropriate emotional affairs because he wants to. No one made him.

Shoxfordian · 05/01/2018 16:38

There's nothing you can do apart from stay far far away from him

SendintheArdwolves · 05/01/2018 16:54

Stay away from this guy.

Please.

That pathological need to be the good guy, to never be in the wrong, to be "wholesome", to be the hard-done-by perfect boyfriend, who women don't appreciate and who is some kind of tragic martyr figure - that isn't ever going away and will in fact get worse and worse.

He blames previous girlfriends for his debt, for making him insecure, for not appreciating him - what will he blame you for?

He needs to see himself as (essentially) perfect. So when the reality (that he is not perfect) becomes inescapable, he casts around for someone to blame - some sponge to soak up all the bad feelings. That will be you. Always.

He does lots for people but always has this feeling of being unappreciated

Or "He likes to create feelings of debt and obligation". Does he do this out of generosity, or because it confirms his self image as the better person, a selfless, giving person that the world somehow owes something to?

I feel is all comes from his serious lack of self esteem and massive insecurities

Ah, the great myth of self esteem "If only I could make him feel better about himself, all the bad behaviour would stop". The reality is, he feels just fine about himself - but by all means, please continue to pour your energy into stroking his ego. He loves it when you make his feelings your focus.

As a child, I know he never felt accepted by his dad and even now he seems so eager to please him, so maybe that's one of the reasons for it

Are you his therapist or his girlfriend? You can't fix him and he doesn't seem to want you to.

Stop trying to understand him, and focus on what you want. Is this relationship acceptable to you? I don't think it is - so forget all the "If only he would xyz, we'd both be blissfully happy" introspection and stay away.

Sorry, i don't mean to be harsh, but this man is not a poor, damaged soul with a lot of love to give to the right woman. He's a leech.

Laurie22 · 05/01/2018 19:59

Thanks for your replies. Yes, I think I've been thinking if only xyz, we would have such a perfect relationship! I guess you can't change people even if you love them.

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MrsTerryPratchett · 05/01/2018 20:00

Especially if you love them!

Madonnasmum · 05/01/2018 20:27

Sounds like he can't admit he's a bit of a shit, so blaming his exes for everything.
The most effective course of action with kind of man is to walk away. Very fast. There's nothing to fix. This is just him.

PortiaCastis · 05/01/2018 20:30

He's got poor me syndrome and thinks only of himself

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/01/2018 20:33

If one of your exes was problematic, maybe it's them. If they all were, it's definitely you!

Laurie22 · 05/01/2018 22:22

That's the reality. His two really serious girlfriends both ended it. Just out of the blue for no reason apparently. Obviously I don't believe that. The ex he really spoke well of was the one where he ended it. The others that ended it did not treat him well in his opinion.

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MrsTerryPratchett · 05/01/2018 22:40

What a coincidence!

Honestly, I'd rather an honest wanker. I've had fun with a couple of those in my time. But never one of these.

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 05/01/2018 22:48

Mr Perfect can never be wrong so when he is wrong it has to be you that made him do the wrong thing. Run.

How does he react if you win at a game? Or don't like something he likes? Or are more knowledgeable about something? What if he does something daft and you laugh and call him a numpty?

tiredbutFESTIVE · 05/01/2018 22:51

You might do well to have a read up on unstable personality types and personality disorders. He could easily be a poor me victim type but could easily have a personality disorder.
“If only xyz” is an illusion. I guarantee things would get worse not better if you stayed together.

Laurie22 · 06/01/2018 11:19

tiredbutFestive, I looked up all that last night. Some of the symptoms mentioned in borderline personality disorder/emotionally unstable disorder just screamed out at me. I didn't articulate my worries very well in my posts but I do think it's more than just being a bad guy. His reactions to to rejection or criticism are completely out of proportion, his emotions are felt unnaturally deeply. Things are so black and white with him. He often just doesn't see things the way others do. I'm still probably not explaining it very well but I do think there is more to it. I cannot get back together with him but I care about him.

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SendintheArdwolves · 06/01/2018 11:50

It's also interesting that, during your relationship, he made you feel that you were somehow not good enough, or had something to live up to - you say a couple of times that you felt like his previous girlfriends had been "different" to you, you weren't his usual type, you weren't a "good girl" as they had been, etc.

This is a classic tactic to keep you on your toes and make you feel insecure. Subtly (or not) he has let you know that who you are needs to change/keep up to a certain standard to hold his attention. Or, more perniciously, that he is somehow making a concession by dating you, since you aren't what he "usually" (implication: actually) likes.

It has nothing to do with you - if his girlfriend was a "good girl" he would have made her feel dull, if she was sparky and outgoing he would make her feel brash and "too loud". If she was bigger he would tell her all his previous girlfriends had been thin, if she was slimmer he would have gone on about liking curves, etc.

tiredbutFESTIVE · 06/01/2018 11:53

Laurie22 I’m glad it helped. You seem to me to be trying to work out a situation, find answers and make sense of something. Things about him being/being seen/thought of as a “good guy” stood out to me.
With something like a personality disorder you can’t really tell the person, get them to sort it out etc as that really never works. It’s good that you know you won’t get back with him. Of course you care but that’s you almost putting him above yourself. This is who he is and why he is like that, he will probably never change unfortunately.
But you probably won’t stay so long with someone else like this ever again as you know what’s involved and where it ends up, sadly.

ReginaBlitzkreig · 06/01/2018 12:03

I strongly recommend that you care for him from a safe distance. There is nothing for you in continued contact with this man. You will get all the negatives mentioned above and none of the positives of an actual romantic relationship.

swingofthings · 06/01/2018 12:06

He has his faults and done some wrong and it sounds like so have you. You seem to have also expected a lot from him changing his ways to suit you.

If you went away for 5 months after being together for only 6 weeks, it's not surprising that he considered that your relationship might be going nowhere and considering other options. Most people would have done the same. I'm not sure if you count these months when you say you've been together for a year, but if so, it sounds like you both acted quite dramatically during that time.

It sounds to me like you are not compatible and you just need to move on. What does it matter if he thinks that he is a good person and treated badly? Maybe he is, maybe he isn't, but it's nothing to do with you any longer.

CheapSausagesAndSpam · 06/01/2018 12:08

In my experience (quite a lot!) ANY man who mentions not being "a player"

Is one.

Normal, nice men don't even think that way. It's not in their realm of thought and so they wouldn't even think to mention it.

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 06/01/2018 14:47

Every abusive person has a troubled background and mental health problems of some kind. You being aware of why he treats you badly isn't the same as having to accept that bad treatment.

He can use google just as well as you can. If he sees a problem with his behaviour and wants to change then he can fire up a search engine and get reading. He hasn't though has he?

If an ex armchair diagnosed you then contacted you after the split to explain kindly that you are mental and needs help, would you go "Get me to a therapist now. Thank you, thank you, dearest ex" or would say "Fuck off" and think "how fucking dare you, it's you that needs help love!"?

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