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To be struggling to be sympathetic here?

27 replies

SympathyStruggles · 31/12/2017 00:41

NC for this one and half expect a flaming...!

There’s a much younger woman who I kind of took under my wing approximately 8 years ago now, when she’d found herself on her own with a baby very young, had made some questionable life choices which meant her family were losing patience with her and had to have social services involvement due to issues with the father and questions around capability to parent. I remained a support to her with her little boy and a bit of an agony aunt figure I guess for some time, trying my best to steer her towards a healthier path which she was crying out for. She asked repeatedly for advice in certain scenarios (to do with men in her life mostly) but then wouldn’t or couldn’t listen or take my advice on board, which then had negative consequences for all involved (nothing dangerous, just a kind of negative spiral). I struggled with maintaining this support role as I was constantly asked to rush to her aid to pick up the pieces when she hadn’t followed the advice she’d asked for and it got too stressful for me with my own children, a divorce of my own, my career etc and I decided to cut contact. She does contact me sporadically to update me on her life and I answer courteously but never meet up or spend time with her.

Fast forward 8ish years and she now has 4 children to 4 fathers, none of whom ‘are allowed’ access to the children according to her. She doesn’t work, her family have all but disowned her and she is struggling and asking for support. She has asked for support as she has none from anyone else but then says things like she wants more children and it doesn’t matter about the situation with the fathers, she’s all the children need etc. She says things like the children had an amazing Christmas and had far too many presents, but then says she can’t work because there’s no point, and lists all the money she would have to earn to have the lifestyle she has now.

I dearly want to be at least an ear to bend or a shoulder to cry on but find it so hard to maintain any sympathy after all these years. I have spoken to her at length about how she’s better to wait a few years until she meets the right person to have another child etc but she just tells me she wants a girl and then I hear she’s had another child with yet another man and it makes me struggle to be patient with her. I feel awful about it because everyone is deserting her and she’s crying out for support, advice and guidance but then just won’t (can’t? doesn’t know how to?) help herself. There have been and still are countless agencies involved but nothing seems to have any impact. I feel so sad for her and for the children but just feel I can’t be that support she needs. Am I really mean? Sad

OP posts:
KeepServingTheDrinks · 31/12/2017 00:48

I dish out advice on here all the time, but IRL I find that people don't want it. They want an ear to listen to them, they want empathy and understanding and - usually - to make their own choices.

If you're happy to be in that role for her, then fine. If you're not [and it doesn't sound like you are] then step away.

Weezol · 31/12/2017 00:49

No, you're not mean. Your are emotionally exhausted by her and need to step away now for your own wellbeing.
Social services are involved, as are many agencies. She is not
unsupported in any way.

You have done more than enough. Please do not get involved again - there is a fine line between assisting and enabling.

Maelstrop · 31/12/2017 00:55

She hasn’t taken your advice for many years, so I think you should just stop. I fear you’re wasting your time and energy.

ugghreally · 31/12/2017 01:01

No you're not mean. The saying you can guide a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink, springs to mind...

Anniethinggose · 31/12/2017 01:06

TBH I do find your post mean-spirited. She's living her life in a way which is different to how you live yours. You don't need to feel sympathetic.
If you have nothing in common with her, don't keep in touch.

notgivingin789 · 31/12/2017 01:17

I feel sad for her Sad. It’s like she’s seeking constant affection (her reasoning beind wanting more kids, men etc.) But she’s failing to realise that she needs to love herself.

OP, be a friend to her but don’t go all the way out to help her. Before you know it, you would be drained listening to her woes. Advice her but nothing more, don’t get too emotionally involved.

notgivingin789 · 31/12/2017 01:20

I don’t understand Annie how OP is being mean-spirited ? Especially If it’s the friend asking for advice ?

CoolCarrie · 31/12/2017 01:23

A fool is someone who keeps doing the same thing and hoping for a different outcome which is clearly what she is doing, and you should step away and leave her to it. It is a shame for her children, but you can’t make her good or bad choices for her, and it will drain you. Some people are lost causes.

Anniethinggose · 31/12/2017 01:23

It doesn't seem particularly friendly to be talking about this woman having 4 children by 4 fathers, she keeps making questionable choices etc.
That is all.

Oliversmumsarmy · 31/12/2017 01:37

Have you actually turned round and told her there is no point in supporting or advising her as she doesn't really want anything from you as she will just go against everyones advice. In the 8 years you have known her doing things her way has just made her situation worse.
If doing things her way was any good she wouldn't be still asking for advice
And to grow up and take some responsibility for the mess she is in.

In the end there is little point in wasting time on someone who clearly thinks they know better than you. I think sometimes people just like to draw people into their drama. It makes them feel important.

Can you tell I have done this before.

Hopeful103 · 31/12/2017 05:27

She is a lost cause. I would have zero symapthy and time for her.

BattleCuntGalactica · 31/12/2017 05:43

Unfortunately, some people refuse to take the help they are offered, time and time again. I'd be more concerned about her children, mainly because if she's being so careless with her own life, how is that going to affect theirs?

I would steer clear.

Mummyoflittledragon · 31/12/2017 06:08

Her behaviour is very sad. It sounds as though she wants a girl to make up for something in her childhood. Her issues are not yours. You can only give what you are able. Do not feel obliged to support her through guilt. You have your own life to lead.

aSleepyPrincess · 31/12/2017 08:58

I would have run out of sympathy a long time ago. Look after yourself OP an stay well away from this woman and her shambles of a life!

JeReviens · 31/12/2017 09:01

Oliversmumsarmy Have you actually turned round and told her there is no point in supporting or advising her

Why would she need to turn round? Confused

wanderlust99 · 31/12/2017 09:13

Annie do you not think having four children by four different fathers who then they are not allowed to see is at the least a questionable choice? And she is trying to have another baby because she wants a girl. I think most people would agree that it is.

OP take a step back for your own sanity. This woman does not want your support or guidance, she wants you to affirm her lifestyle choices. She has/had plenty of support but needs to be prepared to engage with it, which she sounds like she isn't. I know of someone like this and her children are so messed up as a result.

Oliversmumsarmy · 31/12/2017 10:06

I thought this woman was chasing after her figuratively speaking for advice.

Cantuccit · 31/12/2017 10:20

She says things like the children had an amazing Christmas and had far too many presents, but then says she can’t work because there’s no point, and lists all the money she would have to earn to have the lifestyle she has now.

I don't understand the 'but' here? How does her saying the kids had lots of presents at Christmas contrast to how much money she would have to earn maintain their lifestyle?

It sounds like you're a bit jealous of her lifestyle.

Anyway, no one should feel forced to provide friendship. I don't think I would have the emotional headspace and time to deal with her either.

Anniethinggose · 31/12/2017 10:36

Sorry Wanderlust but I can't and won't be the judge of that.
My children all have different fathers through no fault of my own and I've never had to justify myself so I won't justify the actions of another woman.
OP doesn't have to engage with this lady if her morals aren't up to her standards or if she finds it frustrating trying to get through to someone who doesn't want to hear it. OP isn't a martyr.

SympathyStruggles · 31/12/2017 10:51

Cantuccit i’m certainly not jealous of her lifestyle. She messages me constantly for advice on how to change it, tells me of all her struggles. I feel for her very much when she’s struggling like this and assure you it’s not a lifestyle to be jealous of. The ‘but’ was in relation to our conversation (admittedly it didn’t translate here’. She has always talked about being desperate to get back to work (she did work briefly before first child) and one of her issues she used to ask for advice with was how to deal with her perceived lack of family help with childcare which she fet would allow her to go to work. We haven’t spoken for a while and so she said ‘How was your Christmas, mine got far too many presents’, I replied about my Christmas and said something like ‘Oh that’s great, have you managed to get back into work then (NOT being judgemental-honestly that’s the last thing I am hence her continuing to use me as a sympathetic ear, but because going to work is one of the huge things she has said she always wanted). She replied no because there’s no point with so many children, she’d never earn enough, she’s better off not working and will wait now until her last child is in school. That was where the ‘but then’ came, as in she spoke about having too many gifts but then said she couldn’t work.

I know I should just step away. She just doesn’t seem to want to understand how to help herself despite hating her lifestyle herself and really struggling. I feel so sad for her at times and very frustrated at other times when she asks for advice and just won’t listen.

OP posts:
Cantuccit · 31/12/2017 10:55

That makes sense Sympathy

I think for your own emotional wellbeing, you need to disengage from her. It sounds like you have already managed to step back from seeing her without hurting her and now I would just take longer and longer to reply to texts.

Anniethinggose · 31/12/2017 10:58

Assuming she's a single mum, she's correct that financially she is better off not working unless she's already in an established lucrative career. On minimum wage, part time hours and childcare costs equate to a lower income than the total of benefits she's entitled to.
Once her youngest is at school, she might well either work or gain qualifications for a better job than she'd get at the minute.

Believeitornot · 31/12/2017 10:59

You’re trying to change her - that’s where the problem lies.

I find it better to accept friends for their flaws and just be non judgemental. I won’t offer advice unless they ask and if they don’t take it then fine. I find it easier to coach instead - help them come to an answer.

SympathyStruggles · 31/12/2017 11:10

I am absolutely not trying to change her. I have said it several times but she constantly asks for my advice on the same issues, I try to speak to her about it and she agrees on a plan to sort out the issue. She then gets back in touch when she has done the exact opposite and wants me to help her sort it out. Then the cycle starts again-the asking for advice on the issue etc etc etc.

I genuinely am not being judgemental or trying to change her. I’m just trying to help but like many others have said it’s draining and getting to a point where i’m going to have to be cruel to be kind, by no longer replying to her messages etc.

OP posts:
whatsfair · 31/12/2017 11:23

I would normally agree with Annie that you shouldn't judge this woman's life choices, but the fact that several agencies are involved? That doesn't exactly support the idea that she's just following a different life journey, but that she has serious problems.
I have a cousin with 5 children by three different men. Shes lovely, her kids are great, she doesn't have SS involvement in her life though, so as far as i'm concerned she can crack on and do whatever she likes, its her life. I would take a different view if there were lots of agencies involved, and she was running around having constant 'dramas'.
Step away OP - don't feel bad.

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