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AIBU asking brother not to complain about our mother?

11 replies

ffab · 30/12/2017 14:23

I grew up in a “Christian” madhouse. This one incident should be sufficient to illustrate: aged twelve I was sent to stay with family friends for Christmas. The father, a pastor in his 40’s, tried to kiss and grope me every time his wife's back was turned. I managed to sneak a call to my mum, (this was before mobiles) told her what was happening and that I wanted to come home. She said it would look bad if I left early.

A few months later when he raped a parishioner, she wondered out loud why he allowed The Devil to use him in this way.

We were taught to forgive, have faith and trust in God’s will along with sermons on the importance of keeping ourselves covered so as not to tempt men. I vividly recall a sermon on the evils of “slingback” shoes, the bare heel being such a temptation.

After a lifetime of scapegoating and gaslighting I ended all contact with my mother and two sisters (who are also very religious) two years ago. It took lots of therapy and self reflection to sort myself out and it's an ongoing process.

I still see my brother Tom regularly. At short notice he and his girlfriend asked if they could come for Christmas. I suspected that it was because he had fallen out with my mother but didn't ask.

At one point he told me why he had not gone to my mother's. Most of the time she is a kindly old lady but if you cross her she can be vicious.

In response to my brother Tom asking her if our eldest brother Rob is his full brother (Rob is a half brother but in fifty years no one ever told Tom) she responded by yelling that he (Tom) was the product of a violent rape that my (now dead) father wanted her to abort him and that is why he (Tom) has grown up to be a violent person (Tom has served time for assault). Tom cried for days, he had idolised our father.

This is typical of her, even innocuous remarks or questions can trigger her outbursts. She will rant scream and usually collapse in tears of self-pity. From what I knew of my father I suspect the facts are true, but why choose to tell Tom now?

I really don't want to hear about her. I think, having seen my progress, he is wrestling with ending contact with her himself (or drastically reducing it). He passed on birthday cards from my mother and sisters’ something I have asked him not to do (they do not have my address).

I can't tell him whether to stop contact with his own mother. But I do want him to stop acting as her 'flying monkey’. I don't want to drop him too as I am fond of him.

AIBU asking him not to complain about our mother to me?

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MurielsBottom · 30/12/2017 14:29

I think you are within your rights to ask. He should be able to respect your decision as he can obviously see the progress you have made in being free from your mother.

ffab · 30/12/2017 14:59

Thank you. I'm not sure that he does see the progress I've made. He just thinks it's sad that I am not in touch with her.

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Coyoacan · 30/12/2017 15:19

I think it's sad that you are not up to letting your brother vent about this, because I imagine he can't vent elsewhere, but only you know how this affects you.

ffab · 30/12/2017 16:40

Thank you Coyoacan I suppose I knew something was coming because of the last minute Christmas request when he usually goes to my mother's. It's not so much the venting as doing it on Christmas day.

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Coyoacan · 30/12/2017 16:54

I was certainly not criticising you, OP.

MurielsBottom · 31/12/2017 08:34

We have had to go no contact with some family members and people on the outside rarely understand or approve of your actions. It is extreme and society generally disapproves of turning your back on your parents. However what people don't understand is that some relationships can be so damaging that it is the only option open to you in order for you to survive.

I am sorry you are in this position OP, I think your brother probably needs somewhere to vent his feelings but he can't assume you are ok with it.

tiredbutFESTIVE · 31/12/2017 09:36

Just wanted to say that I feel for you, op. My family are not unlike this in terms of narcissism so I get what you are saying.
It’s very sad for Tom but equally I guess if you put yourself second, le5 him vent, etc there’s still a risk that he gets over this spat, and “goes back” to the other side.
You don’t know if he’s a flying monkey and there’s a good risk to you that if you give him a little bit of yourself, it will be used against you at a later date. You can’t risk that as it would be damaging for you and you want to protect yourself.
Hopefully he will make the break and go NC, in the meantime I don’t have much advice other than look up some bland/clean/non-committal responses to have in your head (how did that make you feel? do you find that uncomfortable to hear etc) and try to keep your boundaries. Go out for lots of waks. Have a bath. Hide.

OnTheRise · 31/12/2017 10:53

I am NC with my parents, and had to ask my sister repeatedly not to talk to me about them. I don't want to know what they're up to or who they're seeing. Otherwise it's not really NC, is it?

I don't think it's unreasonable for you to tell Tom you don't want to talk about your parents. If he persists, tell him again you're not going to talk to him about them and change the subject. If it's awkward it's his fault.

I hope he finds a way through life that makes him happy; but there's no need for him to make your life unhappy in order to find it.

BoneyBackJefferson · 31/12/2017 11:21

It sounds like your brother is after someone that has been through it and knows how it feels.

You could give him the name of your therapist or ask your therapist for others in the area if you are uncomfortable sharing the same person.

ffab · 31/12/2017 21:36

Thanks everyone. Feel a lot better after the advice.

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gandalfspants · 31/12/2017 23:28

Touch one. I'm LC with my mother, as is my brother.

Sometimes talking to each other about it is the only thing that gets us through, but if it's triggering for you I can see why you wouldn't want to discuss it.

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