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petrol money or running costs

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FireCracker2 · 29/12/2017 06:44

Persons A B and C all work I'm a location where there is no public transport and live close together 15 miles away.A is a driver and gives B and C a lift to and from work 5 days a week. Petrol for this comes to £30 per week and C each contribute £10 but pay nothing towards insurance tax or maintemance arguing that A would have to pay these anyway.A argues he is a new driver so insurance is high and that they only use the car for work.What is fair? B and C have no other means of getting to work
All doing professional jobs

OP posts:

MsHopey · 29/12/2017 07:40

*nose off
Damn autocorrect

JingsMahBucket · 29/12/2017 07:40

moaning

glow1984 · 29/12/2017 07:42

OMG if they’re moaning, tell them to do one.

LemonShark · 29/12/2017 07:42

They moan about petrol contribution? Really?? That'd be the end of the lifts from me. Not that I'd ever get into an arrangement like this to begin with, sounds awful. Like a bit of time to chill in the car in the morning and evening not sharing with two randomers every single day!

Imo whoever is doing the driving on a long or regular trip should have the petrol fully covered by passengers, as a thank you for taking the time and effort to drive and maintain the car and save them hassle of getting there another way. If four of us drove 400 miles in a weekend and one person took their car the other three would all pay enough so that the driver didn't have to pay petrol as a perk/acknowledgment that their time is valuable and driving is much less easy than sitting and relaxing in the passenger seat!

Is be stopping this asap, cheeky mares complaining about petrol costs! Would cost much more in a taxi. Which is essentially how they're treating friend, on the cheap.

swingofthings · 29/12/2017 07:43

Agree with B and C. There is no more cost to the insurance or running of the car because of taking them. Doing the pick up is saving them money as otherwise, they would have to pay the same (or just about) petrol themselves, so as it is, everyone gains from it.

I think expecting even more is greedy and as others have pointed out, there is a risk of losing out more than gaining by challenging it.

LemonShark · 29/12/2017 07:46

MsHopey I'd rather spend £30 on petrol and have freedom and space to go to and from work alone than save £20 and put up with this sort of thing, each to their own though/maybe A has to save money for personal reasons. If A can afford to walk away (which I'm sure they can as you don't budget for two passengers to come along and want daily rides, what are the chances) they should ask for more money and let them know next time they whinge the arrangement stops

Ilovetolurk · 29/12/2017 07:46

I wouldn’t ask for wear and tear

It’s nothing to do with B or C whether A drives hundreds of miles on a weekend or none, A’s choice to run a car

B and C complaining about their contribution is a bit of a drip feed OP. Do they really or were replies not going the way you liked

MsJaneAusten · 29/12/2017 07:47

If depends how much you need that money. If you don’t rely on it, but want it to be fair, then they should pay whatever you charge. Oh you rely on it, I’d be sticking at £10.

How did the £10 come about? Have you actually asked for more?

Petalflowers · 29/12/2017 07:47

I wouldn't expect money towards running costs etc. It's A's car, so he is responsible for this. Petrol money is all I would ask, although £10 for a week's travelling cost is a bargain.

Why have B and C got jobs they can't get to under their own steam? What happens when A is ill or on holiday?

LemonShark · 29/12/2017 07:49

My suggestion they pay more isn't really to do with wear and tear btw. That's just an inevitable part of car ownership and often something you can't really predict when something will give out. It's more if someone is doing you such a huge favour driving wise you should be showing gratitude and paying a bit more, not solely your own specific share of the petrol. Sticking to your own mathematical share completely ignores the hassle and time and stress for A with this set up

Duckstar · 29/12/2017 07:51

B and C should pay 1/3 each of mileage @ 45 p per mile.

Note3 · 29/12/2017 07:52

I definitely do not agree it is fair to only split the petrol cost, For the following reasons:

Contrary to what Sirzy above says, more passengers do equal more wear and tear. The extra weight means the tyre tread will wear quicker and the brakes too given the need for greater force to be used. Even HMRC recognises increased costs in their fuel allowances

The argument B and C mention about A would have to pay them anyway is null and void. If a person wants to make regular use of something then they need to also accept the costs associated. To just allow someone else to pay these costs while they also benefit is selfish. Imagine getting on a bus and saying "right I'm only going to pay half the ticket cost because you're going the way I'm going anyway so I'm not paying the part of the ticket that factors in maintenance". Good luck with continuing your journey with that attitude and why should it be any different for person A?

If B and C had to pay the HMRC rate for 150 miles divided by 3 then they'd be looking at a lot more money.

I'm genuinely astounded that two professionals earning presumably a decent wage are resentful of paying their way fully.

At the least they should offer to split the petrol between the two as £15 a week to travel 150 miles is a bargain still.

Mylady · 29/12/2017 07:52

Its not the wear and tear - the extra £5 is for the hassel and effort that A has to put in to the journey as the driver. Non drivers/lift givers dont get the added stress of ferrying people around.

Oblomov17 · 29/12/2017 07:52

In the end, there wouldn't just be 'wear and tear' of A's car. But 'wear and tear' of A's mind, by listening to their moans whilst driving B and C Every working day. What a grind!!

CocaColaTruck · 29/12/2017 07:53

I can't believe they are moaning at paying so little. Cheeky fuckers.

BadLad · 29/12/2017 07:59

If I were A, then the moment B and C moaned I'd have solved the problem by stopping the lifts immediately. They can learn the hard way that he who has no transport walks.

You're doing them a massive favour - a fifteen-mile trip with no public transport would be an immense hassle once, let alone daily. They should do it on your terms or shut the fuck up. They sound pathetic.

Pearlsaringer · 29/12/2017 08:01

I’m gobsmacked at the people who are with B and C. I can only assume they haven’t been the driver in this scenario. It’s a royal pita, as I know from experience. I would rather meet the full cost any day than have to bend my schedule to fit other people particularly when they act like they are doing you a favour giving you “something towards the petrol”. If A needs the money, fair enough, but B and C should be compensating for the additional hassle as well as the fuel. And for those saying the costs are the same, they are wrong. There is additional wear and tear when a car is carrying a heavier load, also greater fuel consumption.

woodhill · 29/12/2017 08:04

£10a week petrol is very reasonable, only £2 a day? Public transport much more. They should shut up and be appreciative of the lifts imo

Fuckwheresitgone · 29/12/2017 08:07

How much would a taxi cost them? Because I'm guessing that would be the alternative. More weight in car = higher running costs and greater fuel consumption. They should be paying more. Send them a text message wishing them a happy new year and warning them of an increase in petrol charges, starting in January, if they don't like it they can sort themselves out.

flumpybear · 29/12/2017 08:14

I'd be asking for them two to split the fuel between them as you're driving and providing the car!

Mummyoflittledragon · 29/12/2017 08:14

£2 for 30 miles. Wow cheeky fuckers. And they expect you to wait for them or get in early, is that right? I think they’re confusing you for a taxi service. I’d stop in your place. I’d much rather have £80 a month less in my pocket.

CrazyHairSister · 29/12/2017 08:17

B and C are cheeky and ungrateful, I would bin them OP.

MsHopey · 29/12/2017 08:20

I dunno, i guess it does depend on As financial situation. I know I personally couldn't afford to lose £80 a month. But if A is doing it as a favour more than actually needing the money, get rid.

MsHopey · 29/12/2017 08:24

Oh, and I am one of the few drivers out of my friends and family and have never charged for petrol or anything. But I am talking about it being a lift here and there when they need it, not a regular thing. My husband gives 2 people a lift to work and one of them a lift back every day, and he only charges them £5 each as it's on the way so he's have to be paying it all on his own anyway. He's only said no to them once when they asked him to take them to collect a sink 50 miles away

Margaritaanyone89 · 29/12/2017 08:27

The perk of having your own car is that you get your own space. I'd hate to share it with others, 5 days a week to and from work. I would expect more then 10 pounds each. How much would it cost them in a taxi one way, one time? Probably much more then 10, let alone 10 times a week!

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