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Aibu to ask if you lost a solid gold bracelet in Selfridges last week?

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Lostandfoundwoman · 27/12/2017 16:31

On 19 December, I found a solid gold bracelet (hallmarked) in one of the concesssions of Selfridges on Oxford Street. I took it to the concession's till where staff said they would take it to Lost Property on the fourth floor. When I wrote down my details so I could have confirmation it had made it there, they decided they were too busy to go to the fourth floor after all. So I was going to take it up myself.

A name-badged member of the concession's staff then approached me and said she would take the bracelet straight to the 4th floor. I gave her my details so that I could have confirmation of safe receipt by LP.

The next day, having heard nothing, I emailed Selfridges with a photograph of the bracelet to check it had found its way to Lost Property. They replied 2 days later at 10pm saying the store was closed so they couldn’t tell me.

I emailed again a few days later, and this time they emailed back saying they couldn’t tell me about the bracelet because of data protection.

I pointed out I was not asking for personal information, just whether the bracelet had safely made it to Lost Property and whether it had been claimed. I also said that if it was not claimed, then I expected it back as I was the next rightful owner. Actually, I am not very interested in having it but I do want to ensure it has not disappeared along the way.

This afternoon, Selfridges wrote back one line: “We would not be looking to release the item to yourself.”

Would it not be easy for them to tell me if the bracelet is in Lost Property and/or whether it has been claimed? Is there any good reason I haven’t thought of for them to be so evasive? AIBU to find their communications strange? What do stores usually do with valuable unclaimed Lost Property?

Anyway, if any MNer lost a solid gold bracelet in Selfridges last week, I can match your description with my photo and let you know where it should be!

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Lostandfoundwoman · 30/12/2017 09:56

I am not accusing anyone of theft. I posted as I wanted to find the owner, and was at a loss to understand why Selfridges was so reluctant to let me know whether the owner had been found and/or whether the bracelet is safely in Lost Property.

wheretheviolets. I too dismiss the idea that the customer services department replying to my emails would be colluding with anybody. It now seems that customer services may not have yet been in touch with LP, which perhaps explains their obfuscation.

Why am I so concerned? First, I want to know if the bracelet was found by its owner just to feel good, I guess. Secondly, I am somewhat taken aback when a reputable firm fobs off customer queries with the equivalent of “computer says no”.

Had Selfridges simply emailed me back saying something like:

“yes, the bracelet has been claimed OR we have the bracelet in Lost Property and our policy is to keep items there for a month after which we auction them/ destroy them/ hand them back to the finder/ give them to a charity.”

then I would have troubled them no further.

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DreamyMcDreamy · 30/12/2017 10:21

I suspect that the person you are emailing thinks that you are angling to have it for yourself, hence the emails fobbing you off

That's how I read it too.

. I also said that if it was not claimed, then I expected it back as I was the next rightful owner

If they're fobbing you off/being vague I'd bet it's because you come out with stuff like that to them. You sound like you're after it.

LavenderDoll · 30/12/2017 10:27

I think you have sounded like you want the bracelet back off them and this is why you have been fobbed off.

Failingat40 · 30/12/2017 10:31

Fgs, if she was'after it' herself she wouldn't have handed it in to Selfriges in the first place would she?!!

And to people claiming that found items would never be stolen by staff, that's a load of bollocks. Many years ago I worked in a cinema where many things were dropped by people. One day electricity tokens were found beneath the seats during cleaning in between movies and these were kept and used by the girl who found them.

The person who lost them came back to ask if they were found and was told no.

Dishonest people are everywhere, including department stores.

If I found anything I would log it with police, get a finders slip/reference number.

It's a joke that these large stores don't know their own lost property procedure.

EmmaC78 · 30/12/2017 10:50

I also don't understand your obsession with this. You did the right thing so well done for that but move on and leave the shop staff alone and enjoy the rest of your holiday. I would have forgotten about it the second I walked out of the shop.

limitedperiodonly · 30/12/2017 10:57

How can you lose a large, old ATLAS in a department store?? I presume it was rather large anyway.

You may think that RatRolyPoly, but you would be mistaken. When I was little I bought a large illustrated book called Animal Life of South America with my birthday money.

I carried that book everywhere but one day I lost it. A few days later I went to the newsagents with my mum and they were keeping it for me. They didn't know my name, they just knew me as the little girl with the big book Grin

OP I don't think you're overinvested. This would bug me because I'd really want it to get back to its rightful owner and I'd be annoyed that I might have done the wrong thing.

BigStripeyBastard · 02/01/2018 22:53

It was an A4 size atlas, paper back, soft cover, very battered but old. I still live in hope it may be claimed in which case I will gladly return it but so far...nothing
Further to the other query, I have never yet had a wallet that a) contained any more than about 10 pounds cash or b) that ever went unclaimed. If I had a wallet that contained a large amount of money or an expensive item, I would indeed contact the police and leave it with them as a lost property item.
Most of my lost property is shockingly mundane. Single gloves, woolly hats and single kids shoes. Generally untraceable yet unclaimed stuff.
The one thing that baffles me is the number of walking sticks I ever have at any one time. I had about 6 at one point this autumn. If you need a walking stick, how the jeebus do you leave without it and never miss it enough to come back for it....? I currently have 2......

feral · 02/01/2018 23:05

Just read through this and am hoping you come back and update tomorrow when LP is open. I'd be the same about this, would want to know it went where it should've.

Ellendegeneres · 03/01/2018 13:03

Hope there’s an update soon!

I once found a wallet on a bus, ram packed full of cash.
Checked the id, called the bank etc and asked them to call their customer and pass on my number. Within half hour the man called, asked us to bring it to his address as he was new to the country and didn’t know his way around- language was really broken English. My dad took me and from seeing the photo Id I handed it to the right person- turns out the cash (well over £1000) was for a deposit for rental. He handed me a handful of notes and tried to insist I take it as reward- refused of course, it was nice seeing the belongings go to the right person. I was only 13 when this happened, seems 13yr old me had more moral compass than the person in store who op first spoke to. What a shame.

AlbionD · 05/01/2018 12:33

Interesting! I've briefly done a test of what big supermarkets - do to lost property.

A year or so ago I found a set of expensive-looking keys (including a modern Toyota key - they are £150 to replace, aren't they?) on the canal towpath in central Birmingham, a stone's throw from the Convention Centre.

The keyring also had a Tesco Clubcard keyfob on it, so I called Clubcard to report it. I said please could they check their records and notify the Clubcard owner, and gave my own contact details so he could get in touch with me.

Clubcard said they weren't able to do that because 'data protection'. I said that's ridiculous, I'm not asking for the owner's details, I just wanted them to know mine, so they knew the keys were safe and we could arrange their return.

Nope, said Clubcard. They suggested I hand them in to a Tesco store or the police.

So I went to the central Birmingham police station, reported it, and the policewoman behind the counter just held out what they called a 'key bucket' and said 'put it in there.' They make no effort to contact the owner.

I refused, and said I would try to trace the owner another way.
She then threatened me with 'theft by finding'!

I just ignored her bluster, and left. I then rang a big Toyota dealer and asked if they could track down the owner from a car key. No, they said!

I then went to the nearest Tesco store, and asked them.
They said they didn't know what happened, but offered to take the keyring anyway. I was tired of traispsing around, so gave it to them. I bet it went into a black hole.

So to test the system, I put my own Nectar, Tesco Clubcard and Waitrose loyalty card fobs, and put each on old keys/keyrings I still had. I then walked into the customer serviced desks of their respective bigger stores and reported that I'd found the keys 'just outside', and 'could they return the keys to their rightful owner?".

In all cases, after two weeks I heard nothing. I returned to each, and none of them had made an effort, but all of them still had the keys. Waitrose had put them in the back office, but Sainsbury's and Tesco still had them on the counter.

In Tesco's case, the lady at the counter was able to scan the card and bring up my details instantly in front of me, something they said on the phone was not allowed. But she could have easily done it when the keys were handed in, and given me a quick phone call or email, surely? The data was there straight away to store staff.

Maybe there's a good reason for data protection , but not reuniting lost property with its owner, when the information is already there so readily, is stupid.

To argue keys aren't valuable property is ridiculous too. Car keys can cost £150 or more, house keys are a worry when you lose them, and a keyring can cost £10 a key and lot of money running around to replace.

In the case of the original poster of this thread, when you have jewellery that's not registered or reported, that's an invitation to pilfering by back office staff if there's no 'paper trail' for lost property. They won't necessarily think of it as theft, they'll simply say "Oh, it'll never be returned, so better for me to have it than for it to be thrown in the bin and go to landfill."

The whole 'data protection' excuse for lost property is absurd, especially keys. My recommendation is to put your own name and phone number on everything. And even putting your address on your house keys is probably less hassle in the long run than trusting your keys to the police!

Andrew

SurlyValentine · 05/01/2018 13:56

even putting your address on your house keys is probably less hassle in the long run than trusting your keys to the police

Really??? So you lose your house keys (to which your address is attached), an unscrupulous character finds them and burgles your house. Don't you think your contents insurance might be invalidated by the fact your address had been attached to your house keys? Hmm

Personally, I think changing my locks if I lost my keys would be a lot less hassle than having to replace all my worldly possessions (being presumptuous here and assuming I had anything that someone would want to steal!).

IncyWincyGrownUp · 05/01/2018 15:37

I think a keychain with your mobile number or email address on wouldn’t be too bad a compromise on that one.

I have contemplated just gaffer taping a set to my eldest though, she’s costly in the key department. She pays for her own replacements now!

MavisPike · 05/01/2018 17:37

I don't think you are over invested at all Lostandfoundwoman
Their attitude would make me question where the bracelet was too

Lostandfoundwoman · 06/01/2018 17:24

UPDATE:

The in-store franchise emailed saying simply it was a matter for Selfridges - I would have thought it should have been trivial for them to say they had spoken to "X" (I provided the name on the name badge).

Selfridges direct messaged my DD on Twitter about 2 hours ago saying that they were "dealing with the matter internally" whatever that means. My DD then asked them for the third time what their policy was on Lost Property. They have just replied saying it is to "discard" any unclaimed items, the time frame being in the discretion of the store.

This is a curious policy for valuable items - I hope they would not really "discard" a hallmarked gold bracelet: I am impressed with the person who could genuinely put a gold bracelet in the bin on behalf of Selfridges and resist fishing it out again. I am not sure what to do next, if anything. I have a sinking feeling that the true owner has a zero chance of finding her bracelet. Next time, I will take anything valuable I find to a police station.

AlbionD, I am impressed with your tenacity.

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DGRossetti · 06/01/2018 18:38

For keys, there used to be a service where you paid a small fee, and got a metal tag to go on your keyring saying "if found, please put in the nearest postbox"

Sentinel ????

We had it free with the Halifax years ago.

Thesmallthings · 06/01/2018 18:53

Well some one had a good Christmas find.

I once had my purse stile from my bag with me realising. The moneybtaken but the purse with cards was discarded. Some one took it to the police station where the police phoned llyods bank gave them my bank details got my phome number from them and the called me today itd been found.
So It's price that they can do it, and prob only worked because it was the police who phoned.

Next time take it straight to the police station x

EnriqueTheRingBearingLizard · 06/01/2018 19:02

After reading this I'd definitely take any found property into the police station rather than hand it in for a shop to handle.

ugghreally · 06/01/2018 19:05

Their policy to "discard" is strange. If that truly is the policy then why have a Lost and Found?

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 06/01/2018 19:10

Why on Earth rotifer they discard something valuable?

Bonkers.

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 06/01/2018 19:10

Would

Would they discard!

SandyDenny · 06/01/2018 20:25

I seriously doubt that if someone hands in a bag with £50000 and it isn't claimed that they throw it away. That must be nonsense, maybe Selfridges could expand on their policy a little further

zukiecat · 06/01/2018 20:46

This thread is actually quite offensive

Why assume that the staff have stolen it?

I work in retail, and I would never ever think of stealing anything that someone had handed in

Any time that someone has lost/dropped/forgotten something then it's straight to the office with it

None of my colleagues are thieves either

Lostandfoundwoman · 07/01/2018 12:54

zukiecat. What then happens to items if they are not claimed?

sandydenny. I agree.

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SandyDenny · 07/01/2018 14:24

We have no idea is any of the staff might take valuable lost property but Zukiecat, it's irrelevant what you or I would do. There are thieves in all walks of life just as there are honest people, no slights are being cast on retail workers as far as I can see.

When I worked on the shop floor, admittedly not in a huge department store, we often had people ringing up about lost things and we would check for them and willingly explain the policy etc.

What's odd here to me is the way Selfridges are dealing with this, they are making it seem like they might have something to hide.

SandyDenny · 07/01/2018 14:26

Actually I've just remembered that recently I did go back to a shop to see if I'd left a scarf in their cafe and the customer service person pulled out a huge box of lost items and checked through. I didn't ask but it seemed like their policy was to keep everything for ever as there was mountains of clothing or maybe they just have very forgetful customers.

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