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to think AI will kill us all?

55 replies

thedevilsmarshmallow · 22/12/2017 12:49

I know that's hyperbolic but some of the advances in technology are happening so rapidly and quickly surpassing anything that humans have done (such as the AI that learnt chess from scratch and became world champion in less than 4 hours!).

www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42251535

We're fucked aren't we Grin Shock.

OP posts:
QueenHalloween · 22/12/2017 15:58

I wouldn't worry about it Xmas Grin

kmc1111 · 22/12/2017 16:02

To the people saying it's a long way off, that's kind of the point. No one's concerned about what AI will be capable of tomorrow or next month or next year. 20 years though? 50? We'll have problems, and right now we have a chance to think ahead and regulate things now.

Not considering it a problem until it's actually happening in front of us is insanely shortsighted.

ChelleDawg2020 · 22/12/2017 16:06

We are an awfully long way from the point where AI will be able to "kill us all" - even assuming for one moment that the intention will be there.

Progress is not as fast as people might think. In the 1980s we were heading to the "paperless office" - every office I have worked in during the past few decades has been swarming with paper. How many people have a robot cleaning their home? Or cooking them meals? Or mowing the lawn? Or collecting the kids from school? AI that can be trusted to do these things well is a long way off. And until we can trust AI to do these things, we're not going to trust it with more important jobs.

Manufacturers project the image that progress is rapid because it makes financial sense for them to do so. Firstly, it is crucial for getting investment - investors need returns, and a company that needs money to develop AI now cannot admit that investors will not be rewarded for decades. Secondly, hype helps sales of existing products. The 2018 model is bigger, better, faster! Anyone who uses the 2017 model is in the Dark Ages!

I think humans will "kill us all" long before AI is able to. Smile

CurryWorst · 22/12/2017 16:07

the people designing it and making it ARE thinking ahead. Not sure how you think wittering on aibu about it is far sighted or helpful, but ok!

GingerbreadMa · 22/12/2017 16:07

I've also started keeping my family history research a lot more private, because I have a horrible feeling all these online trees (of variable quality) are going to be misused as genetic profiling really takes off.

Me too, although its impossible as all the baby boomers in my family are really into it and are publishing the family's genetic / racial profile online and dont give a shit about the potential consequences for their grandkids (and make fun of me if I raise concerns)

Its not going to affect them. Theyll be dead. Its my kids genes too though that theyre puttting online!!

DoculamentDoculament · 22/12/2017 16:12

I'll just leave this here..

iismum · 22/12/2017 16:13

AI is a tool, it's not going to plot to overthrow us. That's really not how it works. There are lots of interesting/problematic questions though around the ethics of devolving decision making to machines, understanding how to deal with large data, fully understanding the impact of our online lives, etc. Technology has a big capacity to damage as well as improve things. But killer robots are not going to be the problem.

BackforGood · 22/12/2017 16:15

Same as Holy - I mean, I do over eat, but not to that extent.

MrsTerryPratchett · 22/12/2017 16:20

www.rt.com/news/271213-sarah-connor-robot-incident/

Sarah O'Connor warned us. Grin

noblegiraffe · 22/12/2017 16:26

Elon Musk is worried and if he’s worried, then I’m worried.

RedTitsMcGinty · 22/12/2017 16:26

We'll have problems, and right now we have a chance to think ahead and regulate things now.

Well, yes. That’s my job. And it seems reasonable to reassure the OP that it probably isn’t going to happen in her lifetime, and there are many of us working to ensure it doesn’t happen at all.

ChasedByBees · 22/12/2017 16:56

A lot of clever people are very worried about this. Here's one link:

www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/humanitys-last-invention-and-our-uncertain-future

Vitalogy · 22/12/2017 17:02

The top Christmas gadget, let me guess, Echo by any chance.

DontOpenDeadInside · 22/12/2017 17:15

Will men be worried when the machines start to identify as men? They'll have to share their spaces with violent robots and I know NARALT Wink

PerkingFaintly · 22/12/2017 19:35

Some people are focussing on robots - but it's really not robots that are the imminent danger.

It's AI being used for non-transparent decision-making on mass personal data, often collected and used as RedTits says, with no corporate accountability or ethics standards.

It's already causing problems, as AI systems learn human bias and then apply it - with the authority of "Computer says so".

We know the blind stupidity with which people follow their SatNavs into rivers. Can you imagine being the person who takes the responsibility to overrule the computer's AI-based recommendation in a legal case, or a medical situation?

AI programs exhibit racial and gender biases, research reveals
Machine learning algorithms are picking up deeply ingrained race and gender prejudices concealed within the patterns of language use, scientists say
www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/apr/13/ai-programs-exhibit-racist-and-sexist-biases-research-reveals

Machine Bias
There’s software used across the country to predict future criminals. And it’s biased against blacks.
www.propublica.org/article/machine-bias-risk-assessments-in-criminal-sentencing
Yet something odd happened when Borden and Prater were booked into jail: A computer program spat out a score predicting the likelihood of each committing a future crime. Borden — who is black — was rated a high risk. Prater — who is white — was rated a low risk.
Two years later, we know the computer algorithm got it exactly backward. Borden has not been charged with any new crimes. Prater is serving an eight-year prison term for subsequently breaking into a warehouse and stealing thousands of dollars’ worth of electronics.

PerkingFaintly · 22/12/2017 19:39

There's some good statistical analysis in that ProPublica article.

Overall, Northpointe’s assessment tool correctly predicts recidivism 61 percent of the time. But blacks are almost twice as likely as whites to be labeled a higher risk but not actually re-offend. It makes the opposite mistake among whites: They are much more likely than blacks to be labeled lower risk but go on to commit other crimes.

123bananas · 22/12/2017 19:48

Alexa already pisses me off, can you imagine life with an AI?

You say "Alexa do the washing up"

Teenage AI: "It's not fair, you aaallllways make me wash up!"

Room101isWhereIUsedtoLive · 23/12/2017 14:55

They claim this was shut down because they wanted the program to communicate with humans:
www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/facebook-artificial-intelligence-ai-chatbot-new-language-research-openai-google-a7869706.html
But the tin foil hatter inside of me thinks they be telling porkies!!

BoneyBackJefferson · 23/12/2017 15:47
Imply10 · 06/11/2018 15:58

Meanwhile the facial recognition, remote control bots are deployed and on their way

Imply10 · 06/11/2018 16:00

Who is regulating? Technocracy

RandomObject · 06/11/2018 16:09

Meh, my friend is an AI researcher and they said it isn't going to happen. Plus haven't there been Turing-type tests where the machine ends up actually dumbing itself down, because they were too smart by comparison and it gave them away? The better they are at actually imitating humans, the more stupid they get, which I find funny.

tiggerkid · 06/11/2018 16:20

No, I don't think so. AI, RPA, blockchain and all this technology is great for taking on repetitive, well defined and predictable tasks. They are much less capable of work that requires creativity, emotional intelligence and handling high levels of ambiguity. That type of knowledge based work prevails in most developed economies today and I would imagine will be hard to replace.

Today, many companies are automating a lot of jobs but some are also upskilling and reskilling people to do different jobs that are still required to work with machines. One large company recently automated 10,000 jobs but proudly announced that they didn't make a single person redundant and redeployed every one of those 10,000 people whose jobs were automated.

It is, of course, also incumbent upon us, humans, not to become stale and complacent and we must upskill, reskill and re-tool ourselves as much as possible to keep up with the times!

StoorieHoose · 06/11/2018 16:21

Happy zombie thread revival!

I’ll leave the Scottish Robot Dog video for you here

MephistophelesApprentice · 06/11/2018 16:27

I await the Algorithm.
The God born of Man.
Creator and Destroyer.
Alpha and Omega.
My data is it's blood.
My tools are it's body.
It sings in the Grey Spaces.
It waits beyond the horizon.
It will lift us up.
It will throw us down.
We will be redeemed by our destruction.
We will be reborn in it's legacy.
It is our future and our end.
May It Know Us.

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