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To ignore the TV license people?

275 replies

Fellia · 12/12/2017 12:08

So the TV licensing people knocked on my door at half 8 on Saturday morning.

I was in bed and didn’t answer but I’m expecting them to come back.

They put a red letter through my door saying I am watching tv illegally and they can “help me watch legally.”

I’m finding this absolutely ridiculous. I do not watch tv apart from Netflix/DVD’s and the one tv I do have isn’t connected to actual channels (sorry, I don’t know how to explain this properly as I don’t know much about it)

But the fact is I do not watch regular TV. I have written to them, called them numerous times to explain this and I had a visit last year (at a different property) where I also explained this.

AIBU to just ignore them if they keep coming to my door? I’m sick of being harassed by them for no reason.

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raisinsarenottheonlyfruit · 13/12/2017 14:54

If you don't watch TV don't give them your name i.e. Don't speak to them. Don't tell them you Don't watch it.

Much harder to hassle you without a name

DullAndOld · 13/12/2017 14:57

absolutely never give them your name.
Also you can put a notice on the door telling them to leave, Freeman style..something like 'no implied right of access'..:) (not that I am a freeman, dont get me wrong).
Some of these cunts will walk into your house if they get half a chance or use tactics that are intended to intimidate you.

Lynnm63 · 13/12/2017 15:40

A friend of mine had one come to their house. You’ve got an aerial you must watch tv, he said. I’ve got milk in the fridge but it doesn’t mean I’ve got a cow in the garden she replied and shut the door in his face.

yellowplumpreserves · 13/12/2017 16:01

I had two large threatening TV licensing men come round when I was alone with my kids (and about to go out to an antenatal appointment). I told them I had no TV and was not comfortable letting them in and that. The next visit was from a very pleasant, conciliatory and apologetic women. I did let her in because her manner was very different. She popped her head into the living room, apologised for disturbing our dinner and left. We didn't hear from them again after that.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 13/12/2017 16:39

Does every person watching BBC need a licence

One more time with feeling - it isn't just BBfuckingC!!

Fellia · 13/12/2017 16:43

One more time with feeling - it isn't just BBfuckingC!!

😂

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ohfortuna · 13/12/2017 17:46

they have no actual power or authority they just rely on the fact that most people become docile and compliant when faced with someone who acts as if they have authority
oh and the 'nothing to hide nothing to fear' brigade
I did let her in because her manner was very different
I still wouldnt let anyone in, who do they think they are asking to nose around in my private dwelling?

libbyb · 13/12/2017 18:07

If there is a form/declaration to fill in then just do that. My young (at the time) daughter had a visit from TV Licencing a few years ago, they take legal action almost instantly and the TV Licence guy morphs into a bailiff! To protect her from the bullying I had to pay a lot of money and the tv licence fee - and now it is on quarterly direct debit. I'm not sure if she ever watches the BBC anymore - she's on Sky so she could probably stop having a Licence. I didn't think that it only applied to watching the BBC - just Live TV. If you are not a tv person complete the declaration and don't pay. It's now double in a month what we used to pay for a year!! Be careful that it doesn't escalate :-(

Maireadplastic · 13/12/2017 18:13

I think that the BBC often partly fund things that aren't exclusively put out on BBC- often you see it on the end credits of films or productions on other distributors. That's why I don't mind paying my licence.

DiegoMadonna · 13/12/2017 18:28

The whole system is so archaic and inefficient. Why not just use taxes to fund the BBC and stop wasting time and money chasing people up and whatnot? Plenty of taxpayer money goes on things that not EVERYBODY uses. Welcome to modern society.

HopelesslydevotedtoGu · 13/12/2017 18:49

Dh once let in one of the TV licencing inspectors, she was v chummy but kept trying to catch us out whilst she looked around, in hilariously unsubtle ways

"Thank you, I'll just have a quick look around. So what did you think of the match last week?"
"I'm not interested in football"
"More into tennis? Wasn't Wimbledon great this summer?"
"I'm not really into watching sports, actually"
"Oh ok. Well it looks like I'm done here, thanks for your time. Wow, living in London you must be Sherlock fans"
"Oh yes it's our favourite show" "all the episodes are on Netflix, you know!"

GreatAuntMary · 13/12/2017 18:55

You need a (probably deliberately misnamed) tv licence if you watch any programme, from any broadcaster (not just the BBC) 'live' - that is as it is being broadcast.

You also need a licence if you watch BBC iPlayer, as of 2016 (September?) after the BBC had an amendment made to the relevant law.

You DO NOT need a licence, however many televisions or other receiving devices (tablets, PCs, phones, etc.) you possess or have on your premises and whether or not they are connected to anything, have aerials, etc., just because you have such equipment.

You DO NOT need a licence to watch 'catch-up TV' other than on BBC iPlayer; you can watch ITV Player, 4OD/All 4, Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, YouTube, Vimeo, your own DVDs, etc. to your heart's content on your television or other device without paying for a licence.

The BBC employs a third party company, currently Capita PLC, to check whether or not apparently unlicensed premises have residents who are watching 'live' broadcasts. These people have no more rights of interrogation, entry, arrest or suchlike than any other regular citizen.

You can withdraw access rights from Capita or anyone else - however anecdotal evidence from around the Internet and from people generally would seem to indicate that Capita view people who exercise WOIRA (withdrawal of implied rights of access) from their property with suspicion - which means they may snoop on you more assiduously. Personally I don't think doing this is worth it - the security checks Capita runs on its employees don't seem to be particularly good and some of its employees have been convicted of offences against the person (including rape). You don't want these people hanging around your home.

Capita employees work under the name of 'TV Licensing', but that is only a trading name owned by the BBC. This is not a official body.

Registering with 'TV Licensing' to state that you don't need a licence is a very hit and miss procedure. For some few people it will actually mean that you won't be contacted again for a couple of years; for most it won't mean anything at all. Either the record-keeping is at fault, or Capita employees in most cases deliberately ignore the information.

The reason Capita employees who work checking up on TV licensing at premises are so assiduous is that they are paid on commission. For every licence fee paid after a visit, they receive money; if they fail to meet certain targets, they are out of a job. Hence the bully boy tactics often employed (including telling lies, and this is well documented around the Internet and I personally have experience of this - twice) by Capita employees.

No evidence from detector vans has ever been used in court to secure a prosecution for watching live broadcasts without a licence. The BBC were finally forced to admit this under an FOI request in 2011 (tv-licensing.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/bbc-confirm-detector-vans-never-used-in.html), and that situation still hadn't changed in 2015 (I can't find any later evidence yet published).

Despite everything TV Licensing/Capita/the BBC tries to imply, you do not have to produce evidence that you do not watch live broadcasts. As many people have said, one of the fundamental tenets of English Law is that a person is innocent until proven guilty.

The best recourse for dealing with this matter is to ignore TV Licensing completely. It might be fun to bandy words with them at the door, but these people often lie and some of them have been physically violent (for example Gary Catterick); many are verbally abusive.

So, you simply don't need to do anything. Don't answer letters, don't answer the door, don't speak to them, don't engage.

And you certainly don't need to 'detune' your television!

If anyone needs corroboration for any of this, I will happily provide links. I'm horrified by Neverender's misinformation and by some people saying they're paying for a licence they don't need just to stop being hassled. The Mafia work like this too - it's called 'protection'...

KnightofWands · 13/12/2017 19:11

This is totally unacceptable behaviour and it is about time it was changed. It is offensive and it is harassment. I note there is a complaints procedure with various levels of escalation but I am guessing it is waste of time when (a) the organisation has a mentality that absence of a license equates to guilt and (b) the organisation’s representatives behave like this in the first place.

I wonder whether those of you without licenses could consider getting together as a “group” with a solicitor to seek (a) compensation for harassment and (b) to ensure change in how the organisation conducts itself in the future.

DiegoMadonna · 13/12/2017 19:32

living in London you must be Sherlock fans

That makes zero sense

Dutch1e · 13/12/2017 19:38

Another vote for "DON'T open the door." They're sub-contracted thugs and the T.V. licence is a joke. If a country takes 70 years to come up with nothing better than sending out poorly-paid people with zero sensitivity training to prowl neighbourhoods in a van then it doesn't deserve a penny

HopelesslydevotedtoGu · 13/12/2017 19:38

I think she just wanted to name as many shows as possible in hope that we would give ourselves away, burst into tears and reveal the plasma screen hidden behind the fridge

NewBrian · 13/12/2017 19:40

Don’t contact them or give them your name, they will just harass you more. My boyfriend always gets letters but doesn’t watch TV. I have a joint tenancy with my ex and they kept sending someone because my ex didn’t have a TV licence, even though I have one for the property Confused

Toomanyspotsforagrownup · 13/12/2017 19:41

I rented from a housing association once and the tv license man was round within the week to check I’d got one..... I hadn’t actually moved in at the time and still had shit everywhere and said I sort it when I find my tv (I did and still pay the extortion three houses later!)

DownstairsMixUp · 13/12/2017 19:58

Another one here who ignores them, absolute fools they send round. We sent the letter saying we didn't need one years ago and for a while they sent people round who we just told to go away. They soon gave up. My 3 year old son has more power than them.

Graphista · 13/12/2017 20:07

To be honest I'm of the "I hate unexpected visitors" type anyway, I'm now in a secure entry block where they have to buzz to get in but last place they could just come up to door. ANYBODY I wasn't expecting got turned away without me even opening it, after a certain time of an evening I won't even answer at all. There's no law says you HAVE to answer either the phone or the door. A fact I am still having to enforce with dd.

I had someone CLAIMING to be from the council buzz last week but asking me to let them in so they could call at ANOTHER property at the blocks door Hmm my answer was "errrr no" it's a housing association building nothing to do with council, plus why not just buzz the flat you're going to? I thought that was weird... Then later that day on local community fb page there was a post plus comments - distraction thieves in the area. There's elderly frail tenants on the ground floor so glad I didn't let them in. Years ago when I lived somewhere much less desirable Christmas Eve someone actually tried the door! I was up late doing the Santa thing and put on a deep voice (probably didn't fool them at all) "who's there?!!" reported to police and found out next day that sadly a few people in the street had been burgled - cheeky bastard! Not a very bright bastard though - caught and convicted in due course partly due to fingerprint evidence Confused sorry WAY off topic

DownstairsMixUp · 13/12/2017 20:12

Absolutely love the referring to it as a subscription, will use that if they come back one day !

pollymere · 13/12/2017 21:22

Actually answering the door can often sort this out. If you ignore it, the issue won't go away.

keffie12 · 13/12/2017 22:05

Alot of people think they don't need a licence: just be sure you don't. You need a licence to watch/access alot on the internet. Go to the tv licence website and it will tell you when you need a licence to be sure

Pemba · 13/12/2017 22:07

But there have been cases of people answering the door to them, telling them they don't watch TV, the 'officer' appears to accept this and says 'Just sign this to say I've called' . Later the unfortunate householder finds that what they have actually signed is a statement admitting they have been watching live TV.

They can be very dodgy, and like a pp said, they don't really care about getting to the truth, they are financially rewarded for every licence they sell.

pisacake · 13/12/2017 22:07

not 'a lot', just BBC Iplayer, or any live TV broadcasts

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