To wonder why MN is so left wing/liberal?

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MN hates Brexit, the tories, pink toys, violent video games... you get the idea. But in real life most women don't mind buying gender specific toys/clothes and the election/brexit female vote was about 50/50. So what makes this place 90% lefty/lib when general society is either split or completely reversed?

Derxa what about Boris Johnson and the mess he's created with Nazrin Zagardi's (sp) case. He was forced to apologise and is just so arrogant.

Derxa what about Boris Johnson and the mess he's created with Nazrin Zagardi's (sp) case. He was forced to apologise and is just so arrogant.
Yes he's made a bad situation even worse. But I'm not of the four legs good two legs bad persuasion. Or indeed four legs good, two legs better.

We seem to have become a binary society of late where one either belongs to one side or another. I don't know when we stopped being able to appreciate different facets of the political spectrum but all I see on social media is people planting their flags firmly on one side or the other. From what I can see, few people can claim the moral high ground when it comes to the way that views are expressed. Unfortunately, it seems that it's in noones interest to try and calm things down. The media, politicians and all of us bear a responsibility to try and defuse what has become a horrible situation.

Derxa, why do you call Dent-Coad a hypocrite?

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labours-new-kensington-mp-was-on-housing-scrutiny-committee-a3566661.html

Why didn't she act? She had every opportunity to stop bad practice.
She served as leader of the opposition Labour Group on the council from 2014-15. She served as a council-appointed board member of Kensington and Chelsea TMO, the tenant management organisation which manages the council's housing stock, from 27 June 2008 to 31 October 2012. In 2013/4, she was a member of the council's Housing and Property Scrutiny Committee. She has been a member of the council's Planning Applications Committee since May 2013, and a member of the main Planning Committee since June 2014. She was a member of the London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority.

What was her voting record on that committee?

Perhaps this Dent-Coad person is a hypocrite. She could be an idiot too. She could be just a plain old mean person.

I fail to see how this negates the need for the quality of social housing to be acted on.

Re Louis Farrakhan. I am very pro freedom of speech, but even in the US there are limits to freedom of speech. One of the most basic limits is not inciting violence and particularly not inciting violence on a group purely because of unchangeable characteristics like sex or race.

Farrakhan has explicitly and multiple times incited violence against white people. I can't really see Khan supporting the rights of a white supremacist to incite violence against Asian people; yet he's happy to support the rights of Farrakhan to do just that.

It's hypocrisy. And yes, you can be pro-FOS without supporting FOS being used to incite criminal acts.

The left are full of double standards- They seem desperate to stamp out their own culture in some kind of weird self loathing but celebrate everyone else's.
Some seriously ought to have a look in a few history books to see not everyone wants to be their friend.

"The left are full of double standards"

Some examples, please? Not saying you're wrong, but you can't make statements like that without evidence.

Yeah I agree with you on that actually missy

It’s also very patronising in some ways - this whole ‘group x are victims’ thing. It’s particularly grim in the way the poor are treated in papers like the guardian- the poor are treated like helpless pets rather than actual people who just need a fair deal and a fair crack at it to pull themselves up. You’d think Yorkshire was some kind of post apocalyptic wasteland the way the guardian talks about it.

Someone will now spout something like ‘what is British culture anyway?’ - they wouldn’t dream of saying that to the French/ Spanish/ etc.

It’s ok to like Britain and British culture. That doesn’t mean you have to go either bulldog- wielding fanaticism about it.

I personally think there are a lot of great things we should be proud of about British culture. Our sense of fairness, our general cynicism, our sense of humour, our unwillingness to embrace extremism, our general ability to poke fun at it. That can’t be subsumed to not offend religion for example. And we need to be vigilant- Tony sodding jalie nearly got a blasphemy law through parliament. Our ways are worth fighting for.

The right evoke God, but do hellish things.

Jalie? Blair. He nearly got a law through that would have criminalised blasphemy. That’s the kind of third world backward shit we don’t need.

But what we do need are more effective policies addressing housing crisis, NHS, education etc. And I'm not seeing the tory government offering any solutions.

There’s a very interesting thought experiment that basically goes ‘the world ends. You are tasked with redesigning the rules of the world. They can be whatever you want. HOWEVER - when are are reborn into this world you have no control over where or as who you’re reborn.’

If the rules of your ideal world mean that you’d be very unhappy to reborn as a certain person/sex/status then your world isn’t fair.

I've only been on here for 1 day and definitely doesn't seem left wing to me!!!!!

There’s a very interesting thought experiment that basically goes ‘the world ends. You are tasked with redesigning the rules of the world. They can be whatever you want. HOWEVER - when are are reborn into this world you have no control over where or as who you’re reborn.’

John Rawls. It's good stuff.

@makeourfuture would say I lean to the right, no religion here though. Most of my friends are the same. Being on the right does not equal having a religion. (Despite whatever the fuck the DUP are doing hanging around).

I've changed my view it's not 50/50 or central. It's scarily right right on this thread. Runs hide and wonders if I can build a bunker. Ps I'll take my nice Tory neighbours with me, they are nothing like some of the posters on here

But there are at least two camps on this very thread!

Be a bit realistic.

As free speech goes, I don't remember saying Coad Dent, Khan, Corbyn etc, aren't entitled to say and believe whatever they want to. Merely that they, in my view, are revoltingly bigoted remarks. My post was in response to BertrandRussell who seems to think that illiberal, bigoted attitudes are the sole preserve of conservatives.

Though it does boggle my mind to think that anyone, on this site of all places, can defend what Naz Shah said about the Rotherham victims. Or Saddiq Khan for attending sex-segregated events in London, thus endorsing them. Just goes to show what political tribalism can do I s'pose?

And yes, it also troubles me greatly to think that The London Mayor is ready and willing to castigate D.Trump and lobby for a ban on him visiting Britain. Yet he's quite happy to support and advocate on behalf of islamist extremists and the likes of Lois Farrakhan who described Jews as "blood suckers" and Hitler as "a very great man".

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1959105.stm

Also can you explain to me why my asserting that Jeremy Corbyn supported the Prov -IRA during 'the troubles', is misinformation?

There have been some former PIRA members commenting on their interpretation of Corbyn and McDonnell and tbf their memories tally with mine!

The whole condemning violence on both sides smacks of sophistry. And no I'm not a right winger! Or not historically anyway.

So, do you yourself think Farrakhan should be allowed to come to the UK, CrackedNips?

(BTW, I can't find anything to support your claim that Khan is trying to ban Trump from visiting Britain. He's said an official visit is now inappropriate, which obviously isn't the same thing.)

Though it does boggle my mind to think that anyone, on this site of all places, can defend what Naz Shah said about the Rotherham victims.

No-one has though.