'Gotten'

[JollyGiraffe]

WHY has this awful word made its way over here from?!

Past participle of 'to get' is 'got'!!!

YANBU. Awful.

llijkk “panties” if you are going to stick with Americanisms...

Panties in a bunch!
Ew hate the word panties

Its not american. "Ill gotten gains" is a British saying

Whenever I read these threads I picture Boden-clad middle-aged British women with embarrassing haircuts making catsbum mouths.

Gotten is used in Ireland. It's a grand word.

Used in Ireland all the time.

Laughing at people asking what makes it horrid - the clue is in the word americanism. Many MNers absolutely - and openly - despise americans and americanisms.

The one I hate the most is "sat" as in "I was sat on the sofa". It seems to have crossed into accepted language in the UK.

In American English there is a distinct difference between when gotten and got is used.

Gotten is similar to become. Eg "he's gotten tall since I last saw him"

And got is similar to has or own "who has got my pen?" Or must "Trump has got to sort his hair out"

That's my understanding anyway. And gotten used to be common in British English.

mumoseven as “pants” is used for trousers here in the USA it’s that or “underpants” which always sounds like my Grandmother to me.

The pants/trousers thing has lead to the odd confusing conversation with my D.C. though.

I hate it when people over here call a television series a 'season'! Drives me mad!

However, I'm aware that it's me being irrational about something that really doesn't matter!

I've often wondered about fanfic. What's the point? Why not just write your own original stuff?!

I write both. Fan fic is soooo much easier because so much is already there - you hardly have to think about it. i knocked out 100 000 words of an Angel season 1 rewrite in under a month. I can't do that with my own stuff. And when canon has got something wrong you need to put it right

I didn't find out 'gotten' wasn't 'correct' until I was about 26. Still deffo used in parts of Yorkshire.
I like the word 'horrid' - but then I like a good Enid Blyton boarding school story.

My pet peeve at the moment is the adding in the words 'of a' which is how I always can tell an american author. As in 'it's not that big of a deal' where here we would say 'it's not that big a deal'. Americans add it in all the time and it just sounds clumsy. You will all notice this now in american programmes and writing.

I think that it's inevitable that we are going to absorb words that are more common to the USA, regardless of whether they originated here (I note a lot more people using the phrase 'pissed' as opposed to pissed off. It's hardly a new thing. Growing up in the 80s, I'm sure that we took loads of words from TV shows that we watched. I always find it interesting to hear the occasional British word like 'bloody' (as in that bloody noise is really annoying) on American shows.

pallisers

“Many MNers absolutely - and openly - despise americans and americanisms.”

You are right. I dislike the snobbery about America on MN.

Yes the USA has problems, but the U.K. isn’t exactly a perfect society either.

I live in the US at the moment and without exception people have been kind, courteous, welcoming and keen to help us settle here.

MN likes to imagine Americans are all fat and stupid which is simply not true.

It’s embarrassing to watch MNers who think of themselves as an educated and thoughtful group let themselves down time and time with threads like this.

The word I keep hearing at work is getted. Why? Surely it got. I getted some coffee no you got some!

I queried my DD using this recently. Thinking it was a slangy misuse of 'got' but now I know it's actually an older form of English that she has, admittedly discovered through reading American books, I shall not query it again.
I love the way our language evolves and changes.

Our English teacher banned the word got because she said it was lazy and there was always a better word to use

Beamur it’s still in use in spoken English in both Ireland and Scotland but it would be marked incorrectly in written work.

Just caution your Dd not to use it in formal situations.

“Marked as incorrect” sorry

Forget forgot forgotten. I'll gotten gains......

Thanks Cavander, will do

Cavender, some of us have jobs and so can't respond immediately

I wasn't aware that schools were now teaching Middle English rather than current British English.

I wasn't aware that schools were now teaching Middle English rather than current British English.

If it's a word that's commonly used in Scotland and Ireland then it's part of British English, surely?

Or... hang on... only the English speak 'proper' English?

I live in the US at the moment and without exception people have been kind, courteous, welcoming and keen to help us settle here.

I've lived in New England for 10 years and also lived in other parts of the US previously. This has consistently been my experience too.

OP, I think you're on a hiding to nothing. Language does evolve and that is inevitable, no matter how much we dislike it (and I do dislike the erosion of language and grammar with which I was brought up.)

If you say anything negative about the use of language though, you lay yourself open to accusations of snobbery. I suppose, because the world is becoming smaller, both in terms of communication via the internet and also travel, there is going to be a mash of expressions and language.

Doesn't mean we have to like it though.