To not allow my 13yo to vape?

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I have taken yet another vape off of him this morning.
He smokes cigarettes off his mates as well.
He claims the vape helps him not smoke, and his friends are allowed to use them.
Only i cant for the life of me find any part of myself that even agrees slightly to showing any kind of encouragement.

The school got him a prescription for smoking patches. He used them for two days, got bored of them and was smoking again.
He has no intention of stopping.

He gets no money from me so i have no idea where he is getting them from

There's only half a story here focusing on the smoking, but the anger, school refusal and obtaining things somehow without money are the things that really jump out. It sounds more about solving those issues rather than the smoking.

Ah ok I didn't think of the disposable ones. I had bought full kits which were a lot more expensive and contained extras.

He gets no money from me so i have no idea where he is getting them from

You need to get on top of this right now.

They won't be free gifts, vape stuff is expensive, he'll either have to pay by making money to buy them somehow (stealing, dealing?) or they will be payment to him for something he's done for them.

In you situation, I’d let the vaping go and work on the school refusal.

You have to choose your battles.

My experience is that vaping is extremely common amongst teenagers. My DD who is 12 tells me that many of her peers vape. My DS vaped for around a year from the age of 17. He hadn't smoked previously. I was pretty unhappy about it. It cost him a lot of money because he wanted the best kit that made the biggest cloud. I told him he wasn't allowed to do it in our home or around his younger siblings. A year on he got tired of it and jacked it in. Obviously he was older so it was a slightly different scenario but should any of my other children take it up I would panic less and view it as a possible phase

If the option is vaping or smoking, then clearly vaping is a much better option! However, if it's vaping or nothing, then clearly nothing is better. Is he addicted? I've never smoked, but apparently some people do get addicted very, very quickly and it's genuinely difficult to give up.

It's illegal to sell vapes to minors so someone is either buying them for him or a shop is selling them to him, both of which are also illegal.

then clearly vaping is a much better option!
Says who???
We have no long term evidence of what this might or might do to our bodies in future years.
Everyone used to think smoking was fine, including doctors.
Long term effects will take years to realise.
Hopefully there won't be any but inhaling a load of chemicals can't be a good thing.

I'm on the fence with vaping. I dont think it's inevitable that all teens will vape, but it is better than smoking. DH started smoking at 9, and 50 years later has been diagnosed with lung cancer. Whether he would have still got it if he hadn't smoked is unknown, but it certainly increased the risks. Vaping would have significantly reduced the risks - he has now quit, but it's too late. If DS picked up a vape instead of a cig I wouldn't want to encourage either, but would be happier with the vape. As it is, he is very anti smoking, given his dad's experience. But then I don't think he would tell me if he did because he knows I would be angry.

Is vaping not the lesser of two evils? I'm not saying you should support either by any means but I know which I'd rather my kids were doing if you see what I mean.

If it matters I started smoking at 14. If I'd had the option to vape instead I'd have taken it.

The most important thing is for him to stop smoking.

then clearly vaping is a much better option!
Says who???

The UK government. Also

Action on Smoking and Health
Association of Directors of Public Health
British Lung Foundation
Cancer Research UK
Faculty of Public Health
Fresh North East
Public Health Action (PHA)
Royal College of Physicians
Royal Society for Public Health
Tobacco Free Futures
UK Centre for Tobacco and Alcohol Studies
UK Health Forum

Public Health England's evidence review concluded that vaping is around 95% safer than smoking and can help smokers to quit.

ASH conduct high quality ongoing research into prevalence of ecig use among young people. They have found that Regular use of electronic cigarettes among children and young people in Britain is rare and is confined almost entirely to those who currently smoke or have previously smoked. which is in line with the reasons adults use ecigs. Fact sheet here.

'Popcorn lung' is the turd that won't flush . It is total scaremongering BS and here's why.