To think no one is supprised by the shcoking poverty in the UK

[Itsgonnabeacoldone]

People act like it's a shock or something not expected. But you would have to be seriously out of touch to be surprised by this

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/dec/04/uk-government-warned-over-sharp-rise-children-pensioner-poverty-study

[Gilead]

well have had cancer and a gastroparesis does that count?
Wtf.

[lynmilne65]

She could probably do with food before Xmas

[lynmilne65]

no body chooses to be an alcoholic

[lynmilne65]

And you are very wrong, alcoholism is an illness (stupid)

[lynmilne65]

[JonSnowsWife]

If we charged them corporation tax on profits made abroad, then presumably we'd be happy with our own exporters being charged the same in their countries of sale?

What in the holy hell are you talking about? paying corp tax, the full amount on sales made in the UK would be a good starting point.

[lynmilne65]

I manage because there is no alternative
I don't smoke or drink or go out

[lynmilne65]

And I work part time at the age of 75

[formerbabe]

I don't smoke or drink or go out

Neither do loads of people and they're still struggling.

The biggest issues is the cost of housing vs. wages. Minor spends are practically irrelevant when you look at housing costs.

[JonSnowsWife]

All you grasping, envious cunts will soon know real poverty as investers go elsewhere

Well you sound nice

[JacquesHammer]

And I work part time at the age of 75

And I'm sure you appreciate you're fortunate to (a) get a job and (b) still by physically capable of doing said job.

[lynmilne65]

Ok am off to find a sensible thread

[Gilead]

lyn. I'm disabled. I mess myself most days. I go to the loo up to fifteen times a day and frequently have to shower and change sheets at two or three in the morning. On top of this I look after two of my adult children, both with disabilities. So, just for example; last night, bed at ten, but talking ds through bedtime rituals until 11.30. Doze until one, need the loo then dd has an accident so a trip to A&E. Home at seven. Today I will cook for three, clean, clean up accidents and look after two adults.

[JacquesHammer]

@lynmilne65

Ok am off to find a sensible thread

Are you the type of poster who can't handle people questioning them? Because you don't seem to understand that just because something happens to YOU, doesn't mean you can extrapolate that out to everyone

[JacquesHammer]

@Gilead

[Justanotherlurker]

What in the holy hell are you talking about? paying corp tax, the full amount on sales made in the UK would be a good starting point.

We charge VAT on all Sales in the UK, the problem is a mutli-national.

Company has headquarters in A, makes product in B and sells in C.

Who gets the tax revenue, it is like herding cats to get a uniform approach on this, and if you think its just as simple as just making them pay full corp tax is very idealistic and naive to say the least.

[Downtheroadfirstonleft]

I think this thread has reached peak hysteria...

[TitaniasCloset]

It's the housing crisis that's really affecting people the most and keeping them in poverty. So many adult children still living at home with no means of moving out and never really having that experience of standing on their own two feet that matures young people. So many people in full time work only able to rent a room in someone's house to live in. This must have psychological consequences, it's not good for anybody.

[Hillingdon]

This thread is getting very silly with some posters trying to out do each other in terms of hardship.

One of my friends used to work in a large local authority helping people manage on benefits. She was truly shocked by what some people thought was their entitlement. They were clueless on what should be a priority. The kids they had were certainly not important, working wasn't important. She lasted 6 months and left in disgust

[moreofaslummythanyummy]

Some of the homeless are in that situation because of how they have chosen to live, ie alcoholism, drug addiction.Neither of those are illnesses by the way, they are lifestyle choices.

Yup can just see little Timmy in his career interview , "When I leave school I want to be a homeless alcoholic "
I am actually gob smacked at the ignorance !!!

[LoisWilkersonsLastNerve]

grasping envious cunts
Well I am looking for a new username
Nobody knows if Corbyn is up to sorting this shit out but we need a new broom before there really is a revolt. Even some Tories themselves are shocked at social mobility going backwards.

[Goldenhandshake]

The sheer blind denial and excuses on this thread are sickening, even in the face of first hand, second hand accounts of poverty.

My mum was, a couple of years ago, living in poverty and desperately trying to hide it from me and my siblings, self employed cleaner, scraping by as it was, whose LL gave her notice, but she had no deposit for another place, council told her as an adult with no dependents they had no obligation to help her, she was staring homelessness in the face.

Luckily me and my siblings could club together and sorted her a deposit for a new place, however the rent was a bit higher, so she was working harder, taking on as many jobs as she could, not eating enough as she was throwing so much money at rent, keeping a small old car going so she could work, and trying to heat a drafty old flat in winter. She developed pneumonia, was hospitalised, and therefore lost quite a bit of work, so she reduced how much heating she was using, washed in cold water, used bundles of tissue paper instead of fucking of sanitary towels, ate at my house or my siblings as much as possible, turning up at dinner time as she knew we would always offer her dinner, but never really telling us about any of it.

It's only when I asked her to babysit one evening she broke down and told me it all, as she didn't want my children coming to stay in an unheated flat, with an empty fridge and cupboards.

That is the reality, of daily, unending, grinding poverty. Luckily my mum has a support network, and is now in a much better place due to various interventions and assistance from me and my siblings. Now imagine being in that situation, with no one to turn to.

[Dapplegrey]

Lois - Corbyn and his Cabinet will certainly want to sort things out if they get in at the next election (I think they will) but whether they will manage to put their plans into practice quick enough to head off a revolution remains to be seen.
I wish I could find a quotation but I can't remember the author or enough exact words to google it. It's along the lines of people will put up with all manner of deprivation and restrictions until there is the possibility of such being removed. Once change becomes a possibility then the deprivation and restrictions become unbearable.

[karriecreamer]

What in the holy hell are you talking about? paying corp tax, the full amount on sales made in the UK would be a good starting point.hmm

Corporation tax is on profit NOT sales.

[Cabamba]

The current cuts are shocking but it’s not all about money. Before anyone gets at me, yes more would be good for for benefits and social services. Some families however live in chaos, they have lots of children, they can’t cope with money, often the kids go without and the cycle perpetuates itself through the generations.
That is horribly true, and a fact that is ignored by those who simply wish to put politics first. For some there can never be sufficient help, a mountain of money would not be enough, but quite how the downward spiral can be ended when it is so conveniently glossed over is impossible to imagine.