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AIBU?

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To not go to my mum's for Christmas

56 replies

Xmasissue · 23/11/2017 21:42

NC in case this is identifying.

Before I had DD, DH and I used to go to my mum and step dads (SD) for Christmas to visit them and my siblings. My mum and SD are very religious and they don't do presents at Christmas. Instead they focus on the religious side of Christmas. DH and I aren't religious however at the time my my dad and his DP lived abroad and the ILs go on holiday for Christmas so it made sense to go there and see the family and neither of us minded going to church because we got to spend time with the family. It also used to take us a six hour drive to get there so we used to travel there Christmas eve and stay till after boxing day.

DD was only a few weeks old for her first Christmas so we spent the holiday at home with just DD, me and DH.

For her second Christmas she had just turned 1 and she hated the car. My dad and his DP had also moved back to the UK and lived much closer to us. So we spent Christmas day with my dad and his DP and then we travelled to my mum's in stages so DD didn't get completely overwhelmed in the car. We then stayed till New year's day.
I had never spent Christmas with my dad before but it was actually really fun and one of the best Christmases I have ever had.

So this year DD will have just turned two and I am pregnant with twins. We have recently moved and we now live just over 3 hours away from my mum's. Due to DHs job he has to go back to work after boxing day so we can't do the same as last year. My mum called last week to ask if we are coming for Christmas. I said hadn't thought about it too much yet but I was thinking of spending Christmas with my dad again and then DD and I will travel to my mum's after Christmas and then DH will travel there that weekend and we will all spend new year with them.

My mum was very upset saying she wants us all at the house for Christmas because she wants us to spend time in the church and show DD how Christmas should be celebrated. I told her I would talk to DH about it and get back to her but that I didn't think we would be coming for Christmas day. She hung up on me and then SD and some of my siblings text me asking what had happened because my mum was so angry and upset about it.

I talked to DH and we both agree that we prefer going to my dad's for Christmas and having boxing day to ourselves then going to see my mum and that it worked well last year. So I called again and spoke to SD about the arrangements and he was totally fine with it. But since then my mum has been sending me texts asking me to change my mind because she wants everyone there for Christmas and how we need to start introducing DD to the church to get her used to it and how Christmas is the best time to do that.

I just keep replying that I haven't changed my mind but now she is getting my siblings involved and my sister has just sent me a very long text saying that all the family agree that I am making the wrong decision and that they are worried about the effect my choices are having on DD. She also said that we see my dad more and so we should make the effort to see my mum as its a special day.

I haven't replied because it will just cause more upset but My sister is right we do see my dad more and maybe we should make the effort to go. But at the same time I would dread another Christmas with them. Trying to keep DD happy in church would be a nightmare and because I am a woman I am expected to help out with all the chores etc and I'm already tired as it is.

So AIBU to not go to my mum's or am I making excuses and just suck it up and go because it's the holidays and we should make the effort as we don't see them as much.

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givemesteel · 24/11/2017 09:42

I agree with sadworm you might as well discuss all future Christmas's and tell them that whilst you don't mind a religious element to Christmas now you have your own children you want to create your own traditions which don't align with their way. As pp have said you need to point out that you're married to someone not religious so imposing that level of religion is not fair on him.

If you are happy to have them over to you (and have your style Christmas) then suggest that (or next year when not heavily pregnant).

They surely can't be so unaware that what they do at Christmas is hugely out of synch even with the vast majority of Christians?

Maelstrop · 24/11/2017 20:46

Christ, I wouldn’t go near hers if she’s trying to induct your dd into the cult of Christianity! It’s not how you’ll be bringing her up, although I don’t get the whole ‘Church where she was baptised’ if you’re not keen on religion.

Don’t let the flying monkeys get to you, it’s not up to them where or how you spend Christmas.

MadameMaxGoesler · 24/11/2017 21:20

Stay at home for Christmas, issue a general invitation for people to join you and remind your mother that the major Christian festival is Easter, not Christmas.

TheNoseyProject · 24/11/2017 21:33

When we had kids dh said we would have every Christmas at home and anyone can come but we would be at home. Best. Decision. Ever.

Neither of our parents ever went to other’s for Xmas and mine didn’t have family guests either! So no one could complain really... my dad did though.

Xmasissue · 24/11/2017 22:01

Thank you for replying.

My SD called DH today and spoke to him about the Christmas plans. My SD was explaining that my mum was only upset because she knows we won't come for Christmas next year because of the twins so she just wants us to come this year. DH explained that we wanted to stick with our original plan. SD said he would talk to my mum and try to think of some sort of compromise. They haven't contacted us since.

If we went to my mum's for Christmas we would have to travel there Christmas eve and then DH would have to travel home on boxing day for work.

We had DD baptised at the church for a number of reasons the main one being that at the time I was suffering some anxiety issues and it was important to everyone in the family that it happened so we ended up doing it.

They won't come to us for Christmas day because SD works in the church and my mum and siblings help out a lot as well and they wouldn't leave the church at such an important time. It would also be pretty much impossible to host them because I have a lot of siblings and some of them are married with DCs and they would want to come as well.

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christmaspudding1 · 24/11/2017 22:12

blimey they sound like their own little cult

just because your whole family are involved dosent mean you have to tow the line

op do what is best for you and your own family

i hope you get the Christmas you want

PoisonousSmurf · 24/11/2017 22:13

Go to your dad's! Steer clear of religious nuts.

Ropsleybunny · 24/11/2017 22:19

You’ve told us that you and DH are not religious yet you’re allowing your DM dictate to you about religion and your DD. I guess she was baptised to keep DM happy. You and DH need to grow a pair and tell you DM to do one.

PastaOfMuppets · 25/11/2017 00:14

I think a reasonable compromise is that they treat you as an adult who can make your own decisions, rather than you being treated like shit or you going NC altogether. Can you suggest that? I have zero sympathy for your DM now deciding to turn the guilt to 'I'm just upset in advance for next year' - if they made their plans more inviting and they were nicer, you'd probably already be making plans to see her this year. She has herself to blame quite largely but sounds the kind of person who will blame others instead, and turn on the tears if the anger gets no results. Very manipulative.

Butterymuffin · 25/11/2017 00:21

Practice saying 'I am perfectly at ease with the choices I have made about how to bring up my DD and how to celebrate Christmas.' Use broken record to say that and that you're looking forward to seeing them a few days later.

BackforGood · 25/11/2017 00:38

YANBU at all. It really isn't your Mum's decision to make as to whether what she deems a 'proper way to celebrate Christmas' is the way you want to celebrate with your own family.
Blimey, I am a Christian and going to Church at Christmas time is a really important part of Christmas to me, but I wouldn't insist my way is the right way for someone else. Nor would I study the bible on Christmas day after getting home from Church!! I've never come across anyone in RL who feels that you can't have fun on Christmas day - it is a day of celebrations, not sobriety, solemness, and study.
They mustn't be very socially aware if they don't realise their way is quite unusual.

All that aside, I would not be impressed by the messages and communication since. The correct response should have been, "Oh, that's a shame, we'll really miss you". Even "We were hoping you'd come to use this year as you didn't last year and probably won't be able to next year", but, once you'd decided, then they just had t accept it. The pressure would make me really cross and just make me dig my heels in further.

NamasteNiki · 25/11/2017 00:45

Tell them to fuck off.

You're not coming and they have no right being worried about your dd being raised away from a misogynistic religious institution.

MsGameandWatching · 25/11/2017 01:14

That Christmas sounds like hell on earth. I'm depressed just reading about it and what the expectations are. I'd have nipped this in the bud a LONG time ago.

BlueberryIce · 25/11/2017 01:36

DMs behaviour is appalling.

Stop trying to appease her. Stand up to her OP!

remind her that you're an atheist, DD will be raised an atheist, twins will not be getting baptised and besides, you want S fun Xmas day not a church one and don't want to sit in the car for hours while pregnant.

fia101 · 25/11/2017 06:03

Doesn't she appreciate you're pregnant?? Grannies seem to forget practicalities of having a 2 year old, being pregnant and a long car journey due to fact they haven't been in that position for years.

Yes she'd love you to be there for Christmas but for practical reasons you can't be. Your mum will have your siblings.

If you didn't go to your dads would he have anyone apart from his wife?

EmilyChambers79 · 25/11/2017 06:19

If you are not religious, why is your DAD baptised?

EmilyChambers79 · 25/11/2017 06:22

Obviously I mean DD and not Dad.

Just seen your update.

If you were unwell with anxiety, why did DH not step up and stop the baptism from happening?

Pemba · 25/11/2017 06:35

Don't go, OP. Stay at home and relax - you will be a lot busier next year! It doesn't sound much fun for your DD either.

Your Mum's behaviour is awful, she sounds very controlling. How dare she dictate your DD's upbringing with regard to religion/lack of religion. It would all go completely over the head of a two year old anyway, she'd just be bored. What on earth does your DH make of it? - assuming he's not from the same background.

I am really curious what sect of Christianity doesn't do Christmas presents, even for children? Did she become a member after splitting from your dad? Sounds pretty joyless.

kalinkafoxtrot45 · 25/11/2017 06:36

Your DM sounds awful, I'd be telling her exactly what I thought of her Christmas celebrations. How dare she get your sisters to harrass you! She sounds quite toxic tbh.

windowSong · 25/11/2017 06:40

YANBU.

I grew up Catholic. I wonder if a good compromise would be to visit your mum with DD for one of the weekends before Christmas (the Church's Advent) - it's a really special time, with special candles lit in preparation, and your mum could show DD the crib (though it wouldn't have Jesus in it yet).

However, it might be too tricky to do this, considering the distances involved. Good luck!

PastaOfMuppets · 25/11/2017 07:17

@Pemba quite a few hardcore sects don't do gifts. I went to school with siblings being raised Jehovah's Witnesses and always felt sorry for them - no birthdays either

overnightangel · 25/11/2017 07:24

Your original plan for xmas with your dad, family time with your husband and daughter and then seeing your mams side of the family afterwards sounds perfect, stick to it 🙂

KimmySchmidt1 · 25/11/2017 07:29
  1. Not very Christian to hang up on people.
  2. Baby Jesus, who was not born in December anyway, got presents when he was born.
  3. Emotionally unhealthy to tell family you want them to visit so you can indoctrinate their children - much more Christian to want to see family because you love them, and to be able to Articulate that.

I like a bit of church at Christmas, and I'm not anti religion, but I am against people using it as a weapon and as a Trojan horse for being an arsehole.

Christmas at your mums sounds miserable - all entirely on her terms and rather cult-like in her obsession with indoctrinating your child.

Plus you are pregnant. With twins. Why not they travel to visit you for once?

Fairylea · 25/11/2017 07:37

You really need to put your foot down here otherwise this is just going to get worse and worse.

You need to tell your mum you aren’t religious and you don’t want your dd to get used to her Church. As bluntly as that otherwise this is going to keep coming up. She probably thinks because you had dd baptised that you do want this deep down.

BabyLlama · 25/11/2017 07:39

Your mum should not force your daughter into a religion. Firmly but kindly tell your mum that. Christmas is a time to see family, but not on the pretext of being bullied into something you don't want to do. I'm all for people following whatever religion they want - I can't stand people who try to force their beliefs on others. Do whatever you want for Christmas. Relax and take things easy. Congratulations on your twins Flowers