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All we want for Christmas is an IMPEACHMENT! Trump con't

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AcrossthePond55 · 22/11/2017 18:00

Dear Father Christmas/Santa, Please grant our Christmas Wish. We have been very good this year. We promise not to say shit, cunt, or fuck too terribly much unless we're driven to it by Trump CuntFuckery. Oh shit, so much for that promise! Well, we'll TRY. Thank You, the MN Viper Freedom Squad

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www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3081957-The-zephyrs-of-change-Trump-continued?msgid=73548297

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Natsku · 28/11/2017 07:51

Well Harry ain't wrong about that!

Cheers folks.

Definitely think Altzheimers is a possibility with Trump, or at least some kind of dementia.

Roussette · 28/11/2017 08:13

The silence after is Pocohontas comment is deafening. And Sarah Huckabee defending it is truly gross. I'm not sure how that woman can sleep at night, she just kept parroting 'it isn't a racial slur and it's ridiculous that anyone would think so'

I'm not sure what is then...

Fekko · 28/11/2017 08:22

He going to start telling jokes now isn't he 'a Scotsman and Englishman and a polish man walk into a bar...'?

Fekko · 28/11/2017 08:23

I'd love to see Sarah Huckabee's job description.

Lie, defend, attack, lie, ignore, lie, lie some more.

lionheart · 28/11/2017 11:18

That Washington Post video is rivetting.

ushuaiamonamour · 28/11/2017 12:29

To be honest, hosting an event for native Americans in a room that features a portrait of Andrew Jackson seems even more egregious an offense than the Pochahontas remark. If ye don't know about the Trail of Tears, it's worth googling.

lionheart · 28/11/2017 13:49

Yes, I did wonder about that part of it too.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/11/2017 14:29

Eric's joined in with the "it's not racist" bandwagon. Also

Will Saletan
@saletan

Nov. 9: WP reports Moore accusations.
Nov. 10: Project Veritas agent emails WP to offer bait.
Nov. 11: Moore says: “There are investigations going on. In the next few days, there will be revelations about the motivations and the content of this article.”

What did Roy Moore know?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/11/2017 14:35

Real world consequences of Trump's words

Lauren Wolfe‏
@Wolfe321

My former CPJ colleague @SmythFrank of @JournoSecurity nails why Trump’s new statements about what he calls “#fakenews” is actually life-threatening to media. To people like me & friends who have already been detained in insecure countries

edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/11/27/fears-trump-tweets-endangering-journalists-overseas-todd-dnt-tsr.cnn

Lauren Wolfe‏
@Wolfe321

The questions we already get are:

  1. What story are you reporting?
  2. Are you making our country look bad?
  3. Are you lying?
And now Trump’s harmful comments add:
  1. We know you Americans only report lies!
A single day’s detention then becomes endless.

The New York Times‏
@nytimes

“If the leader of the free world does not champion the free press, then who will?”

www.nytimes.com/2017/11/27/business/media/cnn-donald-trump-russia.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

[The next bit isn't necessarily related]

Russia is killing what little independent press it has

edition.cnn.com/2017/11/27/opinions/russia-independent-press-opinion-fishman/index.html

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/11/2017 14:37

Resist blackwhite

'Access Hollywood' fires back at Trump: 'The tape is very real'

thehill.com/homenews/administration/362070-access-hollywood-fires-back-at-trump-the-tape-is-very-real

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/11/2017 14:48

This is from last week but highly concerning. I think Ari Melber did a segment on it yesterday as well

Shaun King
@ShaunKing

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This is dirty.

Baltimore Police Officer who was just murdered was scheduled to testify AGAINST other corrupt cops on the force.

I believe they had this man killed.

www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-baltimore-detective-update-20171122-story.html

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/11/2017 15:21

Sarah Kendzior‏
@sarahkendzior

New interview with me on Russian interference and how US officials failed to stop an operation hiding in plain sight. Excerpts below:

rewire.news/multimedia/podcast/the-breach-oligarch-envy-donald-trump/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/11/2017 15:36

Dion Nissenbaum‏
@DionNissenbaum
One mystery solved: Key defendant in Iran sanctions trial now key prosecution witness, sending shudders through Turkey political system. Question #2: Does he have any damaging info on Mike Flynn/Trump admin? Still no clear sign he does.

Zarrab to Testify for Prosecution in Sanctions-Evasion Trial
Turkish trader has pleaded guilty and will assist U.S. in trial Turkish president has denounced; defendants accused of helping Iranian businesses evade U.S. sanctions

www.wsj.com/articles/zarrab-to-testify-for-prosecution-in-sanctions-evasion-trial-1511882071

Reza Zarrab, the Turkish gold trader whose prosecution in New York has strained relations between the U.S. and Turkey, will serve as a cooperating witness for the U.S. government, lawyers revealed in court Tuesday morning.

The disclosure came just before opening statements in the Manhattan federal trial of Mehmet Hakan Atilla, a Turkish banker who is accused of conspiring with Mr. Zarrab and seven others to help Iranian businesses evade U.S. sanctions. Mr. Atilla has denied the charges.

On Tuesday morning, Mr. Atilla’s lawyers asked the judge to delay the trial by two weeks, arguing they needed more time to prepare after receiving more than 10,000 pages of material from prosecutors Monday night related to “the government’s most important witness.”

When the judge asked for the identity of the witness, a lawyer for Mr. Atilla hesitated before responding, “Reza Zarrab.”

Prosecutors said in court Tuesday that Mr. Zarrab had pleaded guilty and could begin testifying as early as late afternoon today.

The revelation about Mr. Zarrab, who is a household name in Turkey, ends weeks of speculation about his whereabouts. He had been expected to go on trial with Mr. Atilla, but his lawyers haven’t appeared at court hearings or filed pre-trial motions since September. The Bureau of Prisons website listed Mr. Zarrab as “released” on Nov. 8, fueling speculation that he may have been cooperating.

The case is a top concern for Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who denounced the prosecution in September as “a step against the Turkish Republic.” Officials in Ankara have cast the case as an American attempt to force their president from office. Earlier this month, Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim raised concerns about the charges in a meeting with Vice President Mike Pence.

The prospect of Mr. Zarrab’s cooperation is likely to unnerve Turkish officials. U.S. prosecutors have said in court filings that Turkish government officials were “integral to the sanctions evasion scheme,” an allegation that could be bolstered by Mr. Zarrab’s testimony.

At Mr. Atilla’s trial, prosecutors are expected to present jurors with recordings that will show conversations in which Mr. Zarrab allegedly indicated he had discussed his efforts with Mr. Erdogan.

Mr. Zarrab, a prominent businessman in Turkey, was arrested last year after he flew into Miami for a family vacation. Upon his arrival in the U.S., officials said he was carrying more than $100,000 in cash. He has been detained in U.S. custody ever since.

cozietoesie · 28/11/2017 16:05

Oh to be a fly on the wall in these meetings.

Obama to meet with world leaders

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/11/2017 16:15

Katie Zavadski‏
@katiezavadski

THREAD: So what happened here? I'll recap the timeline. It starts in Turkey, way back in 2013, when Reza Zarrab was arrested and gold bars were found on his plane.

Turkish prosecutors launched an investigation, found widespread corruption: Bribes to top Turkish ministers. Erdogan + son allegedly hiding cash.

But Erdogan & co crushed the investigation. Erdogan became president. The corruption probe was slammed as a Gulenist plot.

Then, for some v. strange reason, Zarrab came to Disney World with his family in March 2016. He probably should've known better. He was arrested.

No one in the U.S. really noticed, but Erdogan did. He was pissed. He repeatedly asked for Zarrab's freedom.

www.thedailybeast.com/did-the-feds-flip-turkish-businessman-reza-zarraband-could-he-bring-down-michael-flynn

Atilla, for some equally strange reason, came to the U.S. the following March. Also arrested.

IT GOT STRANGER. This spring, Zarrab hired—in addition to his many and v. expensive private trial lawyers—Rudy Giuliani and Michael Mukasey to talk his way into a diplomatic resolution between the Trump and Erdogan administrations.

www.thedailybeast.com/rudy-giuliani-called-iran-insane-now-hes-trying-to-free-an-alleged-sanctions-crook

Now, this may be my personal favorite twist, at least until the last few weeks. Giuliani, who fearmongered about Iran, took a lot of $$$ to try to get off a guy who violated sanctions.

Judge Berman called bullshit, said Giuliani was "disingenuous."

www.thedailybeast.com/judge-rips-disingenuous-rudy-giuliani-in-iran-sanctions-case

But then it got weirder still. Reza Zarrab's legal team, led by Ben Brafman, stopped showing up and filing motions in the case, fueling speculation that he'd flipped + was now cooperating w American prosecutors. For Atilla, a small fish? Nah—Maybe 4 Flynn.

If that weren't enough proof that Zarrab was cooperating, IMO---- Brafman took on Harvey Weinstein as a client just as trial was supposed to start. 😝😝😝 Unlikely he'd do that if he were heading into a 9-5 six-week trial. (Or however long this would last.)

And then—BOOM—Reza Zarrab was checked out of a federal prison in early November. Probably holed up at a hotel with Feds. U.S. Attorney's office insisted he was "still in federal custody." His Turkish lawyers told em they didn't know where he was.

This came amid revelations that maybe Robert Mueller was investigating whether Michael Flynn talked about taking $15 million to #FreeReza and kidnap Fethullah Gulen.

I don't know what light, if any, Zarrab can shed on that talk. But maybe something.

And then, boom: The NYT reported last week that Michael Flynn's lawyers tore up their joint defense agreement with Team Trump. As Barbara McQuade wrote for @thedailybeast, that can be a BFD:

www.thedailybeast.com/if-michael-flynn-is-cooperating-with-robert-mueller-then-case-against-donald-trump-gets-much-more-serious

And then finally, yesterday, Flynn's lawyer paid a visit to Mueller. Are they talking plea deal? IDK. But Zarrab will testify soon, and I'm looking forward to hearing what non-Atilla things he might have to say, bc you know defense is gonna probe plea:

www.thedailybeast.com/turkish-businessman-reza-zarrab-pleads-guilty-with-possible-implications-for-michael-flynn

In court, prosecutors tried to paint Atilla, not Zarrab, as the mastermind of sanctions cheat plot.

"This is a case of lies. Lies told to the United States by people doing the bidding of the Islamic Republic of Iran," they said.

YAWN. How quickly their language changes.

But they did do a good job breaking down the cash-for-gold-for-oil plot down in less than an hour. A complex sanctions-busting case transformed into Zarrab as frontman for Iran, and cash bribes being stored in shoeboxes and given to bank bosses and government ministers.

And on the Reza Zarrab note:

Merhaba tüm yeni Türk arkadaşlarım. Bu oldukca ilginç bir dava. Fikirlerinizi email veya DM yoluyla gönderin lutfen. (tercume için annem ve Ebru'ya teşekkürler.)

Translated from Turkish by Bing
@thedailybeast And on the Reza Zarrab House Lanscape note: Hello to all new Turkish friends. This is quite an interesting case. Send via email or DM your ideas please. (thanks to my mom for assembler and Ebru.)

cozietoesie · 28/11/2017 16:18

Thanks, Pain.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/11/2017 16:20

I can't tell if the others are taking the piss out of the Drudge or serious

DRUDGE REPORT‏
@DRUDGE_REPORT
White House anticipating news bombshell?
7:37 am - 28 Nov 2017

Kyle Griffin‏
@kylegriffin1
More Kyle Griffin Retweeted DRUDGE REPORT
Get ready, folks.

April‏
@ReignOfApril
I'm telling y'all.... Something's coming.

Joy Reid‏
@JoyAnnReid
👀

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/11/2017 16:21

*or are being serious

catgirl1976 · 28/11/2017 16:24

I am stocking up on popcorn but I hardly dare hope

cozietoesie · 28/11/2017 16:32

Get in some Gin. Then you're covered any which way. Grin

badbadhusky · 28/11/2017 16:39

Crosses fingers and toes.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/11/2017 16:58

There is a lot happening, not related to the drudge I think, that I can’t keep up!

Jennifer Jacobs
@JenniferJJacobs
Chuck and Nancy cancel this afternoon’s meeting in Oval Office after Trump publicly criticized them on immigration, crime and taxes.
“Given that the president doesn’t see a deal between Democrats and the White House, we believe the best path forward is to continue negotiating with our Republican counterparts in Congress instead,” Pelosi and Schumer say in statement

Maggie Haberman
@maggieNYT
Chuck and Nancy effectively call potus irrelevant

Andrea Mitchell
@mitchellreports
“Chuck and Nancy” cancel White House meeting with @realDonaldTrump after he tweets they want illegal immigrants flooding country are weak on crime and want substantial tax increases. (all false)

Ryan Lizza
@RyanLizza
Two major events today that require White House deal-making skills: 1) negotiating agreement with Dems to avoid government shutdown and 2) getting tax legislation out of a committee where two Senate Republicans (Corker and Johnson) don’t like the bill. Trump’s 0 for 1.

Fekko · 28/11/2017 16:59

Who are chuck and Nancy? I can't keep up!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/11/2017 17:01

Caroline O.
@RVAwonk
WOW. An analysis of 5 million social media posts about Catalonia during the height of the Catalan separatist crisis found that 97% percent came from Russian & Venezuelan propaganda networks.

amp.thedailybeast.com/why-is-venezuela-waging-cyber-war-in-europe