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AIBU by not giving my gran money?

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MamaLox · 21/11/2017 21:08

There is some background to this so I'll be as brief as I can. Growing up she was an awesome Gran to me and my big sister, and we both have close relationships with my grand and grandad because of this. Over the years, however, we have begun to notice that she is actually very self-centered and manipulative, and really quite shrewd about it.

One thing that really affects other family members is that she demands money from us for any gift-giving holiday/special day. Whilst I have no issue with why folks would want money instead of gifts, I hate the way she's gone about this request and treated my family over it. A few years ago, my gran approached my sister and parents when I wasn't there and told them that she, my grandad and uncle (who lives with my grandparents) wanted money for all holidays from now on. This was a demand, not a request, and all my family spoke to me afterwards feeling very hurt by the way she had spoken to them. At the time, I wasn't in a financial position to give gifts or money and my gran never approached me in the same way. I advised my family to do what they felt was best, if my gran wants money then fine, but speak to my uncle and grandad to see what they actually want.

The Mother's Day after this, my dad took flowers to her house and before anyone had said hello she said "You should have given me the money for them instead, I told you that" and refused to take the flowers. Safe to say my Dad was pretty hurt about that. We have also since found out that my grandad doesn't get to keep any money that he receives for holidays/birthdays etc.

Since this, I have got married and DH's business has got off the ground, leaving us in a much better financial position than a few years ago. Once that happened, my gran invited me out for lunch and then demanded that we also give her money. I explained that, as it's my DH that goes out and earns the money, I'm not comfortable just giving it away to my family without talking to him about it as well, as gift giving is a large part of the holiday spirit in his family. She told me she accepted this and then asked if I wanted gifts instead. I said we are happy with good family company, and if she ever felt the need to give a gift that we are very happy with a small token, a box of chocolates or a card. She went on to tell me about the awful gifts she had received from church friends, focusing especially on an apparently hideous scarf, and I thought the matter closed (she gave me the scarf for my birthday that year and I believe from her behaviour surrounding it that it was another one of her games, which she plays pretty frequently. Not that it matters but it's actually a lovely scarf).

I think what I object to is the way she goes about things. She is blatantly rude to her own Son's face, she has demanded money from her grandchildren not only for herself but on behalf of others and has no regard for how anybody feels in this situation. She has tried to tell us how poor they are when the idea of gift giving has been brought up (whilst that shouldn't even be relevant, we know they aren't poor by a long stretch and that she's using it as a manipulation) and is quite aggressive to other family members when they try to stand up to her. I think the only reason I have managed to be honest with her without her shouting at me or feigning an angina attack (she generally saves this one for her sons) is that she knows I won't stand for it and never have.

Everyone in the family knuckles under and gives cash and moans behind her back. Her birthday is coming up in a week and I feel obliged to give her a gift because I give my uncle and grandad gifts. I feel sad that this is now the overriding emotion I have when thinking about buying my own grandmother a gift, but I hate the idea of knuckling under and giving her money after the way she has treated the family over it. I'm usually more than happy to fulfill requests for gifts, I want to get the people I love whatever makes them happy, but this just doesn't feel right. My parents, sister and brother in law have all expressed how happy they are that I don't give in to her. Am I justified here or am I being an unreasonable nutcase about it?

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roomsonfire · 21/11/2017 23:00

My gran is like this in the she won't gift you unless you gift her. I am a carer. Money is tight so more often than not I can only afford an E-card I can text to her. She takes this as me not caring, not bothering and reminds me of all the things I have done for her.

We are NC and have been for over a year now and its sad that'll I'll be the last to know when they die etc but in all that time they haven't called me despite all the stuff I have going on with my DC atm.

Whereismumhiding2 · 21/11/2017 23:06

I agree with Madeforthis
I'd keep it simple and avoid the angst. Frankly she's consistent in asking for money instead of a gift, so do it token wise. You have great childhood memories from your grandma, so if you can afford the tenner why sweat it? I get that she's being a bit ungrateful and it's not really "in the spirit" of gift giving, but I'd humour her. Id still buy gifts for uncle though as he appreciates them! .. Ps. In her 70s is the age of my parents and no they aren't old either in the slightest...!

Theresnonamesleft · 21/11/2017 23:15

I would go to a charity shop, buy the most cheapest scarf I could find. Wrap the scarf. Go to hers to hand over the scarf proudly wearing the hated scarf.
Actually whilst you are in the shop buy 2. It's Christmas in a few weeks Grin

CustardDoughnutsRule · 21/11/2017 23:20

Maybe it's that she just doesn't want extra gubbins in the house, and age has made her more forthright.

I agree it's pointless if you just swap tenners but I think I'd just do it and don't give it another thought. Firstly it's practical, second if there is a manipulation thing going on, the only way to "win" is not to give it any headspace.

NamasteNiki · 21/11/2017 23:37

She asked for money. Sticky tape 50p to the inside of a card.

nakedscientist · 21/11/2017 23:41

IT is at least possible that she has pre-dementia symptoms which can include behaviour changes.

HotelEuphoria · 22/11/2017 06:36

The to be honest I would stick the tenner in a card for her, but no way would I do it for grandad or uncle. She can't make that decision for you and the rest of your relatives should do the same.

FritzDonovan · 22/11/2017 06:48

Maybe she's tired of a lifetime of what she sees of as shit gifts. I don't know why you're stressing so much about it. Everyone seems to have accepted shes a bolshy old bird, either stop doing adult presents (as no-one seems to enjoy it) or stick a fiver in a card and be done.

TheLegendOfBeans · 22/11/2017 06:59

It pisses me off when people dictate “gifts” (or no gifts) as I think it’s the decision of the giver what the recipient gets.

HOWEVER, as a PP says maybe a lifetime of shit gifts has tipped her over the edge.

She does sound overly exercised about it all though, YANBU.

bimbobaggins · 22/11/2017 07:11

I would just give her money, I know she’s been rude the way she has demanded it buy why give yourself more hassle trying to buy a gift she doesn’t want.
Even £5, £ 10 or £20 would do . Make your own life easier.
Don’t stress about the little things

HeteronormativeHaybales · 22/11/2017 07:26

I was thinking that too, thenakedscientist.

Alternatively, I think FritzDonovan and TheLegendofBeans may be on to something. It feels a bit as if she's sticking two fingers up at social conventions that demand smiling, being nice, asking for nothing for oneself etc (especially from women) by going to the opposite extreme and being very openly self-interested and rather obnoxious.

BigGreenOlives · 22/11/2017 07:30

Extreme concerns over money were one of the first signs of dementia for a friend’s father. Very sad, he’d grown up in poverty but become incredibly successful.

Mrsdraper1 · 22/11/2017 07:36

I was expecting it to be more money. I wouldn't be bothered to fall out about £10.
Stick it in a card and have done.
She sounds like someone I used to work with. Said person lived in a huge house in a posh part of town but used to cut the ends off tubes of hand cream and toothpaste and get the last bit out with a cotton bud and ate peanut butter sandwiches for lunch, never came on a night out, trip to theatre etc which we used to do frequently.
We always had a whip round for birthdays and got told she wanted money.
Then we had a renegotiation on the birthdays and she decided to opt out altogether.

Raindancer411 · 22/11/2017 07:38

Out of interest, why does she want money? What does she then do with the money?

Personally I would get all the family to try and agree that if money is passing hands for money, then to say we won’t do gifts, just cards, and tell her to buy herself something nice on your behave. Then you will do the same when it’s your birthdays/Christmas

natwebb79 · 22/11/2017 07:45

My nan used to be like this. We later found out she had a terrible gambling addiction.

exLtEveDallas · 22/11/2017 07:45

My dad did similar (but not the same).

On his 80th birthday he told us “Don’t buy me any more presents, at my age I’ve got more jumpers and socks than I have days left to wear them” Shock

He gets food gifts now - Little ‘special treats’ he wouldn’t buy himself (Pate, posh biscuits, Thornton’s toffee)

expatinscotland · 22/11/2017 07:48

No idea why people pander to abusive twats like this. 'She's family!' but they'd say LTB if it were any other type of relationship. Fuck her. I'd give her back her scarf and she'd never see another penny off me even if I were Bill Gates. She's a bully. Why feed her? Anyone who tells you to give them money is a git.

expatinscotland · 22/11/2017 07:49

Give her a card.

GrumpyOldBag · 22/11/2017 07:50

Instead of cash, could you give her a voucher for a nice shop that you know she will like?

Or even somewhere like M&S where she could spend the money on food if she wanted to.

AnotherShirtRuined · 22/11/2017 08:03

I'm going to go against the grain here. Stick to your principles and continue to buy her gifts. If nothing else then for the sake of the rest of your family! Then buy her something that is personal to her and you. Perhaps a tin of biscuits that tie back to a specific childhood memory or similar within the given budget. Write her a - preferably sickly sweet - card reminiscing about that particularly memory and how much you appreciate the role she played in your childhood. She would be hard pressed to find anything to criticise in that and, who knows, might even appreciate the gesture.

If nothing else it would be an interesting social experiment.

RagingFemininist · 22/11/2017 08:25

What I am uncomfortable about is that she is not just asking for money for herself but also in behalf how two others people.
And that those people don’t seem to actually see said money!

Besides, even though she can ask for money, she shouldn’t be rude to anyone who is deciding to something else. You know all the th8ng abiut being grateful for a gift, it’s the intention that counts etc....
Being older, hating the gifts she was given befire etc... is no excuse tbh.

Fwiw, my PIL have said before that they are older so want to declutter the house rather than adding more and more stuff in it. So gifts are now more like food stuff or things we all know they will use (Eg FIL has a thing for socks) but not a scarf or a bread board or whatever.
None of them would ever dare making comments such as the ones the gran is doing.

RagingFemininist · 22/11/2017 08:27

Btw, I agree about sticking to your principles.
There is a difference with being careful about the wishes of people and letting people walk all over you.

But I wouod be careful that you are not becoming the scapegoat of the family in her eyes if you are the only ones standing up to her whilst everyone just moans behind her back. They need to stand up to her too!
So maybe a ‘group’ approach would be better....

MamaLox · 22/11/2017 08:56

Thank you everybody for your responses. Seeing each side of this laid out is helping to gain some more rational perspective, I was really beginning to wind myself up when I decided to post! For anyone concerned about her mental health please be assured that I’m confident pre-dementia isn’t a factor. We have a dementia nurse in the family, and are now adjusting to life with 2 pre-dementia sufferers (this Grans husband and my nana have both been diagnosed this year). Before anyone thinks she’s taking his birthday money because he is no longer able to deal with it himself, that’s far from the case here, he’s still very capable and very much himself.
Gran has always spent money and always hoarded also, it seems to just be part of who she is. She isn’t penny pinching or showing any genuine concern for her financial status, unless it comes to an opportunity for money, I actually don’t want to give an example here because all the ones I can think of are just awful. Not sure which way I’ll go with it yet, but you’ve all calmed me down and given me a lot to think about as objectively as I can now, thank you

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