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To think Benedict Allen is an arrogant git?

87 replies

Shakirasma · 21/11/2017 08:11

He comes across as a sulky child, annoyed that his game was spoiled while his family were breaking their hearts with worry.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42062933

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Slartybartfast · 21/11/2017 08:59

if that were my husband I would applaud him on his mission, and let him get on with it Grin

LuluJakey1 · 21/11/2017 09:01

Whole thing is ridiculous. He comes across as a wanker.

The Press have reported it as if we live in the 19th century. Explorers, lost again, cavalier attitude, undiscovered tribes, PNG a place of cannibalism, lost in jungles, possibly taken prisoner, the little wife at home being steadfast and brave with lots of children- getting on sure he will be found but pale and worried.

I am surprised he didn't reappear wearing rags and a stained pith helmet and carrying a big chopper.

corythatwas · 21/11/2017 09:03

If he's such an unrestrainable eagle, why doesn't he risk his life in some way that actually benefits people and doesn't put them at risk? Instead of exposing this tribe to his germs and risking somebody else finding them and exploiting them (and putting them under an obligation to feed him), why doesn't he do something useful like volunteer as lifeboat crew or work with refugees in a war zone?

My suspicion is, it's not danger he craves, or the sense of pushing himself to the utmost: it's being famous and feted and special. Doing it in a situation where the limelight is not on him just wouldn't be the same thing.

Sensimilla · 21/11/2017 09:03

If that was my husband I'd confiscate his passport and put him on the naughty step

I would leave him. Who needs that?

Sensimilla · 21/11/2017 09:04

Agree cory

paganmolloy · 21/11/2017 09:05

The news clip says that he wanted to see if they were alive and well. He then says that they were and he got a magnificent welcome. I'm sure if he wasn't welcome they'd have blown a dart up his arse but hey, he met up with old pals. Some folk meet up with old pals, get roaring drunk and miss their bus home or worse get mugged or worse yet murdered. Risks everywhere in life.

corythatwas · 21/11/2017 09:09

I agree with Lulu that it's very 19th century. The brave explorer risking his life tope- because supposedly a White Man going anywhere benefits the world.

Let's face it, when men turn up from other parts of the world with no real reason for being in this country, expect to be fed and housed by the natives, get themselves in a state and need to be rescued- we don't tend to hear many comments about how they are unrestrainable eagles and this is just what they DO. Unrestrainable eagles are basically fine when they go and bother somebody else. (and are white -because only white people can Explore)

IrenetheQuaint · 21/11/2017 09:15

So true cory. I have much more respect for courageous Eritreans who make it to this country through many dangers (and are escaping a horrible situation, as opposed to trying to get a break from 3 children under 10) but oddly their adventures don't get covered by the media in quite the same way Hmm

Ragusa · 21/11/2017 09:17

How do they finance this sort of expedition?? Is it sponsorship or private wealth? The mind boggles.

HouseOfMouse · 21/11/2017 09:17

LuluJakey1 I think that is sort of how he sees himself too. He seems to have an overly romanticised view of his exploits - a bit of a glory seeker.

Sensimilla · 21/11/2017 09:18

Yy, west Africans walking across the Sahara in their flip flops, then crossing high seas in an over crowded boat, unfit boat, under the cover of darkness; don't get much applause do they

Greebz · 21/11/2017 09:30

I feel that people crossing continents to escape unimaginable horrors (leaving everything they own behind and bringing their children with them) are much more deserving of respect than this guy... He needs to grow up.

PerkingFaintly · 21/11/2017 09:34

I thought this was bang on:

Denis Crowdy, an ethnomusicologist based at Macquarie University in Sydney who spent more than 10 years in Papua New Guinea, said Allen’s approach was an embarrassment. He said he and many of his contacts in the country were angry about press coverage of Allen’s plight.

“Anthropologists were also deeply cynical, clearly recognising Allen and his genre of exoticist square-jawed Boy’s Own adventurer Royal Geographical Society lecture tour self-indulgence,” Crowdy said.

“Why should we care about a lost, unprepared, silly, white privileged male middle-aged fool? All of the stories have been solely focused on his ‘safety’, when PNG faces some real challenges that are genuinely worthy of reporting.”

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/nov/17/benedict-allen-allies-defend-rescued-explorer-against-backlash

Ragusa · 21/11/2017 09:38

I mean, there is a whole academic discipline (social anthropology) that has wrestled with the ethical issues raised here. Usually people doing fieldwork will have spent at least a year (and often much longer) exploring this stuff and working through the ethics, IP, imperialism/exploring dichotomy... this guy might have done similar.

There is a bit of an issue presuming that all tribes want to be isolated. The noble savage trope is as old as the hills and pretty problematic in itself. There are tribal people who are adept at making a living from presenting a 'tribal, authentic' front to rich tourists and then switching into Nike when the tourists go home. Fair game to them I say, if they are doing it on their terms and choose to give their 'authentic way of life' up (or modify it) for something with more modern conveniences.

The untouched tribe offers a romantic ideal to outsiders, but life in what we might think of as more traditional cultures can often be pretty tough going. Especially for women or those who for no fault of their own fall foul of taboos or prohibitions (disabled people being one common example).

Going back to this chap, though, the whole thing has the air of someone who is needing to raise money and sell a good story. I don't know the man but that is definitely the subtext of some of the media stories about this.

Ragusa · 21/11/2017 09:40

X post of sorts with @perkingfaintly

HouseOfMouse · 21/11/2017 09:42

I'm doubtful that he has done any preparatory field work as such - he's not actually an anthropologist or academic is he? It's all about the books, TV and lecture tours.

Ragusa · 21/11/2017 09:48

@HouseofMouse yes I am also very doubtful but who knows, he could have ;)

My point really is he is trading on this nonsense trope of exoticism and untouched nature which is hugely problematic for so many reasons.

It all seems a bit ... crass.

Ragusa · 21/11/2017 09:55

And my other point is that the whole 'leave the poor untouched tribe alone' can also be problematic if it stems from our own desire to romanticise 'traditional' peoples. If the criticism is from the POV of not infecting them with disease or exploiting them by stealing their technologies, then you are on stronger ground.

These things are really complex.

Sensimilla · 21/11/2017 09:57

However, had any of us heard of him, before this?

sizenines · 21/11/2017 09:58

Embarrassing behaviour, especially for the young wife and family who have to keep the show on the road at home whilst he indulges his 'free spirit'.

He is/was a self-conscious and two dimensional writer and presenter, and I'm looking forward to new explorers coming onto the scene now that BA appears to have reached his sell-by date. Hopefully these people will not be ones who believe it is all about them and not try to sell their story entitled Man Fails Hilariously

Sensimilla · 21/11/2017 10:00

ragusa, these issues are complex, but this guy wasn't even pretending to reach this tribe for anything other than selfish interests. Preventing the spread of disease should have been his number 1 priority; he doesn't even mention it as a concern

Ragusa · 21/11/2017 10:03

Nah, never heard of him before this.... oh hang ON!

ButchyRestingFace · 21/11/2017 10:03

He's a self indulgent fanny.

I lost 2.5 hours of my life suffering through The Lost City of Z last year. This Benedict bloke rather puts me in mind of Colonel Fawcett, who succeeded not only in getting himself eaten killed by a hostile tribe, but also his son.

The wife should take note.

SemolinaSilkpaws · 21/11/2017 10:05

I had certainly heard of him. Used to watch his TV documentaries and enjoy them. Remember he seemed to suffer unduly from boils on his neck. I found a signed copy of his book ‘Mad White Giant’ in a charity shop some years ago, brought it and have never got round to reading it. His latest exploits have made me dig it out and put at the top of my to read pile.

Ragusa · 21/11/2017 10:07

Mm yeah that is an issue. However we don't necessarily know he is an unethical knob. He may have had health screening for all we know. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt till proved otherwise ....

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