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To think no, this wasn't normal parenting and it's abuse?

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TemporaryName00004 · 16/11/2017 03:38

This was a long time ago now (I left home years ago). But it still bothers me and I'd like to know, from strangers who won't mince their words, if this was abusive.

My mum was incredibly incredibly stressed, raising several children alone and having spates of unemployment with spates of working 4 jobs at once. I know she was stressed.
But I think she took it out on me unfairly and it's damaged our relationship. She claims it was normal.
Here are a few incidences that come to mind.
I was a very depressed child and was self harming before it became known and understood like it has been in the last decade or so (still a ways to go but back then it was unheard of) she would berate me for not coming to her, then I would try to talk to her about it and I would get pure venom.

For example, if she was doing the dishes I would get shouted at as she was busy. If she was getting ready for work I'd get shouted at as she had to go in 5 minutes etc. if she was sat down with a cuppa and a cigarette I'd get shouted at as it would be the first time she'd sat down all day. You get the picture, but then she'd shout at me for not talking to her anyway. Several times if I tried to talk to her while she was having a break I would be told I was just like my father (an awful, controlling, abusive man who has done his fair share of prison sentences) and trying to control her free time and that I obviously felt good at ruining her 5 minutes to herself. I always felt horrific when she said that to me.

As you can allguess by now I had some difficulties one of which was attending school. I now know I have anxiety, but again it wasn't known about then to a large extent. She promised me if I attended for four weeks straight she'd pay for me to go to a cadet camp I desperately wanted to go on. I struggled a lot to do it but mostly pulled it off, missing no lessons but 7 morning registrations in 4 weeks because I got overwhelmed and couldn't force myself to go through the school gates in time. She said this was fine and was proud of me as it was better than I'd done previously. Then the day before the trip had to be paid for we had an argument (I think it was because I didn't want to clean my room) she kicked off at me for this - understandably. I did what she asked but Then she said I couldn't go. On the day it was supposed to be paid for I was absolutely heartbroken but didn't really let it show - the next day I couldn't hide my feelings too well so just hid in my room and cried. She then admitted that she didn't actually expect me to do well, was sorry, but she'd spent the money she was supposed to use for it anyway.... horrible and I lost a lot of trust in her after that.

I accidentally woke her up one morning on another occasion, flushing the toilet at 5am. At 5am the next day she came into my bedroom and poured ice and water over me as "revenge".

She would accuse me of stealing things randomly. I never stole from her. But she always had eg one specific black plate she ate off while we had white ones. She would also use it to defrost cakes or things like that. One day she walked into the living room and threw a white plate at me, it cut my eyebrow. She then said well can I have mine back now since you've stolen it you horrible little thief? I quickly pointed out that It was on the counter with a cheesecake defrosting on it (where she had put it).
It's hard to put into words but living there was like walking on egg shells I struggled to do anything without being accused of doing something, stealing something etc. even though 9/10 I could quickly prove her wrong in about 3 seconds. (With the 1/10 being unprovable or she wouldn't listen anyway)

. So I moved out at 16. Our relationship has been strained for years and years since. But better than when I lived at home. I've tried to speak to her about her treatment of me recently, unsurprisingly to her it's all fine and normal but Aibu to think that it's awful parenting and maybe even abusive? I don't want to talk about it with anybody who knows me, so I'm asking here.

OP posts:
honeysucklejasmine · 16/11/2017 03:44

Definitely abusive. I'm so sorry

DubaiismyBlackpool · 16/11/2017 03:47

No, this was/is not normal parenting. At any time.

Have a look at the Stately Homes thread, it’s for people just like yourself.

Flowers for you.

OldWitch00 · 16/11/2017 03:49

yes she took her life stresses out on you.

toomuchtooold · 16/11/2017 05:18

Oh Christ. No, that is very very far away from normal parenting and definitely abusive. As a PP said you would be very welcome on the Stately Homes thread.

Mummyoflittledragon · 16/11/2017 05:32

I’m so sorry you went through such a difficult childhood. Definitely abusive. You played up, demonstrated your pain. You got out at 16. Congratulate yourself. You’re strong.

It sounds as if you both had a difficult life. It sounds as though your mother was incredibly stressed and totally unable to cope so she took her pain and frustration out on you. I know you want her to acknowledge the abuse. However, it doesn’t sound as if she can.

What is your relationship like now? Can you move on from this?

Jerseysilkvelour · 16/11/2017 05:49

Poured ice water on you as revenge for flushing in the night? How is that a proportionate response?

Yes OP that that is abuse. It's beyond taking her life stresses out on you aswell.

I know how hard it is when it's your mother who did this to you.

margaritasbythesea · 16/11/2017 06:06

OP thast it absolutely terrible behviour and most definitely abusive.

I wish I could give you and your younger self a hug. Well done for getting yourself free from her. I wouldn't expect her to be able to face what she has done but she probably knows. Perhaps that shouldn't be your main focus.

IF you still suffer from anxiety, are you getting or do you know how to get help with that?

You have done incredibly well to build yourself a life.

kalinkafoxtrot45 · 16/11/2017 06:12

Yes, she was abusive. I'm not sure I'd want to continue any kind of relationship with such a person unless they were really prepared to acknowledge that.

AngeloMysterioso · 16/11/2017 06:13

Fucking hell OP, I’d have gone NC with such a cruel, vindictive witch the moment I’d moved out!!

Pseudousername · 16/11/2017 06:22

Good Lord. What a childhood.

Try not to let it continue. Sounds as though you'd be best moving on - she's unlikely to change - particularly if she still feels she's done nothing wrong.

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iamafraidofvirginiawolves3cats · 16/11/2017 06:23

Horrible, horrible behaviour. Insane almost in its nastiness. The cold water at 5am- evil. Think of all the planning that would have to have gone into that. It must have made you feel so unloved. My heart breaks for you at such deliberate cruelty.

I always like to think people by and large do the best they can at the time. What was her childhood like?

TemporaryName00004 · 16/11/2017 06:29

Im ok now with regards to the anxiety, I was under treatment for it from about 19-25, I didn't know what it was until then or that I needed treatment I just thought I was badly behaved or didn't want to do some things (issues with classroom environments incl college, but I got past that, and issues with busy areas and public transport or strangers eg taxi drivers and shop assistants asking me questions), but the depression comes and goes in bouts.
I am under a doctor and psychiatrist for it though, and have access to pretty decent healthcare so I'm fortunate compared to most. I still talk to my mum but tbh we aren't close, she seems to think we are and calls me her best friend but she rarely listens to what I have to say, always has to be right and will outright ignore some things I say to her.

So I don't feel she knows me that well. Made all the apparent when she says oh I know you you'd do x y and z in that situation and it's always the opposite of what I'd do or have done in similar situations. I think she's built this image in her head of this perfect best friend relationship that we have which is built in a fake image of me that she's created. I mostly leave her to it, and just stick to basic conversation when I do have to call her (we live several hours and a plane ride or two away depending on route, she hasn't visited me and I won't visit her).

We recently spoke about this and she doesn't acknowledge what she's done was a bit too far or abnormal let alone abusive. But I think I'll make peace with that in time.
thank you all, getting some perspective has helped.
Flowers

OP posts:
TemporaryName00004 · 16/11/2017 06:32

Her childhood wasn't great, I don't know the ins and outs of it but I do know of a few incidents (aged around 5/6 she was beaten with a belt when she poured a kettle down herself - she was wearing wool and scolded badly enough to be scarred by the burns still today, horrible). She doesn't really talk about it but from what I know there are some similarities, to the same ends I can't imagine doing the same things to my DS (only child) because I know how it made me feel. So I'm always careful to be the opposite of my mother, I think I do quite well. It certainly makes me more conscious to if nothing else.

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stopfuckingshoutingatme · 16/11/2017 06:33

I think she took her frustrations out and this spiralled into abusive behaviour

Must have been horrible for you OP

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