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to feel angry seeing pics of my friend's new puppy on facebook?

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ChickenVindaloo2 · 08/11/2017 23:03

For the past year she has been telling me how she feels really bad but she's trying to re-home 2 rabbits that her children (a boy and girl, about 6 and 8) aren't interested in anymore. But she was worried a rescue would blacklist her from adopting animals in future.

Today I see that she has bought them a puppy and proudly posted pictures of the children with said puppy on facebook.

I assume the rabbits are still in a cage at the bottom of the garden.

I'd adopt them but I have a (rescue) cat.

I honestly feel like her values are so removed from mine that I can't be friends with her anymore.

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emmakc1977 · 10/11/2017 21:48

We got a puppy last year and within 4 months found out she had hip dysplasia. We were insured but not nearly enough (one hip costs £7k!!). She had her first hip done and recovered well, she’s having the second one done later this month. The amount of people that have said she’s so lucky to have you is mad. Surely when people get a pet they would do anything for them. I love that little fur ball so much. She’s just turned 1 and has been through so much bless her. I wouldn’t change her for the world. We told the breeder and they offered to take her back and give us another wtaf!!

hoobiedoobie · 11/11/2017 00:59

There's a family like this on our estate, she has several cats all are kittens of kittens of kittens, we knew people who lived here before us hence why we know of the animals history. They're always pregnant and some are only very young themselves, I walked by the house to see one of the perpetually pregnant cats on the gravel outside with a very young kitten next to the road, she also only leaves one small bowl of biscuits out for all of them and it rarely gets filled (we've called rspca but there is no offence to keeping your cats feral apparently!) one young cat came to our house, sat in the garden outside the back door and proceeded to eat a breeched kitten out of herself, the poor thing, I took her to the vet and got her antibiotic jab and now she's with the cats protection. Just seen now she's posted on facebook she wants rid of her 2 year old collie dog, it disgusts me that people like her clearly have no true value of the animals they own, they're only useful when earning them money when they sell them 😠

Turnitaroundagain · 11/11/2017 08:17

I think you are reading too much into it, and as long as the animals are not mistreated her choices have nothing to do with you. I’m sure your friend is just trying to nurture the experience of love for an animal in her children. Which is a good thing.

NoSquirrels · 11/11/2017 08:21

Turnit did you even read the OP? How can she be nurturing anything or demonstrating to her children when she's been trying to rehome existing pets for a year already?

Turnitaroundagain · 11/11/2017 09:58

Of course I did nosquirrels. You can’t force children to have an interest in something that they are not interested in.?

Turnitaroundagain · 11/11/2017 10:02

Rabbits aren’t ideal pets but sometimes you don’t understand the reality of a seemingly easy to care for ball of fluff. I had rabbits as a child and they are all their babies. Whereas dogs are great fun for kids but yes can be a nightmare to train. We all have to live and learn.

Turnitaroundagain · 11/11/2017 10:03

*ate all their babies.

Abbylee · 11/11/2017 10:19

Have you ever had a pet rabbit? We did. He was unfriendly and we gave him to a pet store. We are terrific dog and cat owners but rabbits were not a good fit.

ChickenVindaloo2 · 11/11/2017 13:34

Even if the children aren't interested in it, my "D" friend made a commitment to those rabbits and SHE (and her DH) should be looking after them, not trying to rehome them.

emmakc77 - you and me think the same. I thought long and hard before I got my rescue cat (at the grand age of 32 I might add, I took the commitment very seriously). Whatever is in her best interests, she gets it. I think I put more thought into it than most people do having children!

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LesDennishair · 11/11/2017 13:49

Have you ever had a pet rabbit? We did. He was unfriendly and we gave him to a pet store.

That's where a bit of prior research would have helped, Abbylee.

ChickenVindaloo2 · 11/11/2017 15:44

I find it hard to understand a child who doesn't want to cuddle/play with a rabbit (or other pet).

The parents should, however, be leading by example and making sure the children see them caring for and playing with the rabbits. They should be showing the children that said rabbits are members of the family. The children will not be getting that impression with the rabbits being stuck in a hutch at the bottom of the garden.

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ChickenVindaloo2 · 11/11/2017 15:46

I mean, I can understand a child being a little wary of certain pets if they've never been near one before but in my experience, taking a pet into a classroom is a guaranteed way to have all the children flocking for cuddles. Bit like when folk take babies into offices.

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Punkatheart · 11/11/2017 19:02

Rabbits are apparently the most dumped animals of all. Most hutches are not suitable and a hell on earth for them. They should be never left as one and they should be handled frequently, groomed and checked over for things like fly strike. If you don't do your research, you can have an unhappy even vicious rabbit. Rabbits who eat their babies are usually highly stressed, nutritionally deprived or in a cramped space.

AutumnalLeaves38 · 11/11/2017 22:36

"Rabbits are apparently the most dumped animals of all."

67, 000 going into UK rescues EVERY YEAR. Shock Angry
[And that doesn't include any dumped (aka sentenced to a certain death) out in the wild].

source: 2012 survey, Rabbit Welfare

Turnitaroundagain · 11/11/2017 22:40

Well punkatheart we had rabbits about 35 years ago and everybody did the same thing then, rabbits in a hutch at the bottom of the garden. These days I wouldn’t dream of keeping any animal in a cage or removed from its natural environment. Keeping pets is a bit of an ethical minefield. I find a lot of people are very sanctimonious about it. We do not own these creatures we are blessed to have the opportunity to share our world with them.

greenford1 · 11/11/2017 23:31

We have a neighbour who keeps one sole rabbit in a small hutch, on concrete, at the side of their house. No access to a proper run, and very little attention. What a miserable existence.

CruellasDaughter · 12/11/2017 01:13

I've been wanting to start a thread about my mother as I am traumatised to this day about the way she treated animals whilst I was growing up, but I've always felt it disloyal as she's a very good mum and person apart from this. But reading this thread has brought a lot of it back to the surface and I need to vent among similar minded people.

By all accounts, she's always been an animal lover, however, she has this thing where she just has to breed from every pet she ever gets and has no limit on the number of pets she will keep at any time. She always wanted to have a small holding but thankfully never got the opportunity. We grew up in standard family houses surrounded by animals. She has also mistreated some of them.

Some incidents that have stuck in my mind:

  • we were given two kittens that were from a feral cat by the local farmer. She never bothered to get them spayed and so they had litter after litter and we even kept one kitten who was also allowed to keep having litters. we never had any litter trays in the house and the cats had several toiletting places around the house. When the cats were quite old, she told me they had to be pts but I found out from my dad years later that she drove them miles away from the house and released dumped them.
  • she once bred rabbits and had some special breeding hutches that were not big enough to keep rabbits in. They were like a shelving unit of tiny hutches. We had a rabbit in one of them (no idea why) with no bedding, food or water, just its own shit and a neighbour reported us to the rspca who visited early one Saturday morning. I recall being angrily yanked out of bed (I was about 8) by my mum so the woman could tell us off for keeping our rabbit in such awful conditions. My mum was furious with us and blamed is to the rspca woman. I remember thinking how unfair it was because I had zero control over how the animals were kept.
  • we lived opposite a dairy farm and one day when I was about 12, I witnessed the farmer beating one of the cows. I started asking him what he was doing as I was so upset and told him he was being cruel. He obviously recognised me and asked if I lived at my address. What I didn't realise was that my mum was renting some land from him on which she kept our 6(!) horses. He told me I better fuck off and mind my own business or he would report my mum for keeping the horses in squalor and malnourished. I have no idea if it was true as I didn't ever visit the horses (she would take my sister who was into riding) but I had to slink off feeling worried that I'd got my mum in trouble.
  • we had every pet you can imagine at one time or another. Gold fish, tropical fish, budgies, canaries, cockatiels, mice, rats, Russian hamsters, Syrian hamsters, rabbits, Guinea pigs, ferrets, several breeds of chickens, quails, cats, dogs, horses and chipmunks. At one time we even had a lamb which we hand reared. The only pets we never had were reptiles (because we weren't interested in them) and chinchillas because my mum thought it was cruel(!!!) to keep them. Every single one of these animals she either attempted to breed from or did breed from. We never just got one of each type, it was always at least two and always a male and female. We had so many small animals at one point, my sister and I were totally overwhelmed and they were not looked after properly. Not cleaned out regularly, their water and food would run out. One time (and I am still fucking traumatised by this) the Syrian hamster had babies (not for the first time either) but for whatever reason, my mum was late in rehoming them and there was no where to put them except in one cage. Of course they fought with each other and at one point, they were so starved that they were eating one of the others alive SadAngry

There's so many other similar stories but it's very upsetting to rake this shit up. I'm also angry with my dad because he did nothing to help although says now that he hated it but it wasn't his job to control her and she would acquire all these animals without consulting him. What fucks me off so much is that me and my sister were pretty much blamed for all this as they were 'our' pets and we were the ones asking for them but my mother never ever said no to us or helped us to take proper care of the animals. I remember her taking us on trips out to choose new pets and this was meant to be a treat for us and was her suggestion. One time, my dad wrote a story (to shock us into taking better care of the pets) for my sister and me about how all these dead animals came back from the grave to take revenge. I had nightmares over that but again, it was the implication that we, as children, were at fault.

Since I've left home, our last childhood dog died of cancer (a long haired breed that was so matted the vet described her as 'disgusting' so my mum refused to take the dog back and she died at home probably in agony) and for a while they had no pets. But then my sisters friend was rehoming some rabbits and my mum agreed to take them and the neglect started again. One died and she kept the other one alone which she knows full well is cruel. one of their neighbours complained to me about the state of the hutch so my mum moved the rabbit into the cellar. The last time I saw the rabbit it had no food, water or bedding so I gave it some and told my mum to look after it properly. It died shortly after although it was quite old at that point I think.

She then got two cats. At this point I had also got a beautiful pedigree cat and she begged me to let her breed from him. I got him neutered ASAP. And a few months later she rehomed an unwanted pedigree male cat. She lied and told us all that he was neutered. Then the kittens from both mothers started. Then she 'found' a long haired kitten in a bin. This cat has also started having kittens. She sells them for £100s as they are mostly lovely colours and long haired. Her cats have litter after litter. I warned her that something bad would happen as she is over breeding them and lo and behold, one went into premature labour and lost all the kittens bar one who she had to hand rear. He got an infection and lost his eye. She couldn't sell him so I took him and he is a fantastic cat who we love very much. She is still breeding though.

I have told her time and time again that I think what she is doing is fucking despicable but she just lies and says she was going to get the females spayed but then they got pregnant again before she could. I've told her to neuter her male cat but she just lies and says she will. I've given up. I hardly visit anymore now due to this which I know she finds upsetting.

I'm torn because other than this, she's a lovely woman who will do anything for anyone and my DC adore her. But I just can't forgive her for the animal abuse and neglect that she is still fucking perpetuating by overbreeding her poor cats. But to the pp up thread who said the kids will follow suit, that hadn't been the case for me. I take my pet ownership incredibly seriously and will never ever end up like my mum. We don't have more pets than I can manage and I do not expect my DC to be involved in their care except when they are helping me of petting them.

What can I do about her?

LesDennishair · 12/11/2017 01:56

Well that sounds fucking traumatic, Cruella. How awful for you.

Is this something the RSPCA could help with? Your mother simply shouldn't be keeping pets at all.

CruellasDaughter · 12/11/2017 09:41

It really was LedDennishair and I agree totally that she shouldn't be allowed to have pets. I don't think the rspca would be able to do anything now because despite the fact that she has turned her poor cats into breeding machines, she does feed them and seek vet treatment for them so there is no evidence of neglect.

Thanks for acknowledging my post. One reason I've been reluctant to post my own thread about her is because I thought I might be piled on and blamed too as there is a part of me that blames myself. I was certainly complicit in it but equally didn't have any power to change things as I was a child. It does still haunt me though and it was a very long time after leaving home that I got my first pets for that reason.

LesDennishair · 12/11/2017 09:48

No, can't see anyone piling in. You were a child who did your best with resources available, and actually sound like you gave a damn about the animals.

It's a tricky situation if she's taking care of their basic needs now but obviously overbreeding. I've come across too many people like this over the years (they're on GCCF banned lists etc) but they still keep going.

LilQueenie · 12/11/2017 09:52

If you can find them a home through some rescue service maybe wise to tip them off on the dog. Stop the cycle continuing in the future. Clearly your friend was wise enough to know what she was doing was wrong.

BalloonSlayer · 12/11/2017 10:24

I am not trying to defend your mum Cruellasdaughter but there was a lot of ignorance in the past at how to keep animals. I am a child of the 60s/70s and rabbits and guinea pigs were always kept in hutches, ours had time in the run every day but posters on here would say even that was not enough - and I don't disagree - but ours were possibly the most cosseted pets I knew at the time.

My Mum also always let animals breed (although she didn't let it get out of control). This was because she thinks animals should be able to enjoy having young, at least once, and that to deny them this is cruel. For the same reason we always had more than one of each animal - she thought that an animal should have another of its own kind for companionship otherwise it's cruel.

As I say I would not call any of our animals mistreated but I think the very well intentioned care they had does not bear modern day scrutiny. My own DD used to ask for a rabbit or similar and PROMISE she would look after it but I just knew that it would end up being me who had to do everything so I didn't give in. I suspect you made similar promises.

NataliaOsipova · 12/11/2017 10:34

I loathe people who neglect animals or treat them cruelly.

Here's a different perspective. I completely agree with this....and I am as far from being an animal lover as possible! I wouldn't want to live in a house with an animal - any animal - and I wouldn't want to care for one. So I wouldn't have one. But if you do have one? It needs a heck of a lot of care and looking after. If you're not prepared to do that, you absolutely shouldn't have one.

Animation86 · 12/11/2017 16:19

Yup theres one of these on my facebook too. Actually lost count of the amount of animals she has and they arent even in the recommended size cages either, they are all litlle prisoners with no space :(

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