That sending nude pictures of yourself to Facebook isn't a great idea ?

[LurkingHusband]

Yes, really:

www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/08/facebook_wants_nude_photos/

Facebook has begun conducting a pilot where it solicits intimate photographs of women – and it will soon offer the service in the United Kingdom. Anxious exes who fear their former partner is set on revenge porn will be urged to upload photographs of themselves nude.

A hash of the nude image is created and passed along to Facebook's AI image-matching systems. Subsequent unauthorised attempts to post on one of Facebook's services (including Instagram), the image are then blocked.

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Or am I just a bit of a fuddy-duddy (as my late DM would say) ?

Don’t ever do it! It will be hacked 100% fact

There's lots of other parts of the internet they could be posted rather than Facebook or Instagram so not sure I get the point? Although I have no worries on that on that score as I have zero nude pictures ever taken of me.

It seems rather counter-intuative doesn't it?

What happens if you don't have the image anyway?

Oh good god. We really are dumbing down. Its like something from Idiocracy. It must be a hack?!

My computery husband explained to me this morning in basic terms how this wouldn't really work. Maybe it would stop the basic revenge porn but a determined person would just alter the image slightly (literally a pixel) in photo shop and the hash wouldn't work.
How would they avoid charges of handling child porn if a 14 year old decided to upload their photos.
What if (bizarrely) I wanted my nudies online and my partner didn't and sent them in?
It's also a great way for legit photos to be blocked....send them an official photo of Donald Trump and see what happens.... 😂😂
My husband seems to find it hilarious and whilst I don't really understand it does seem slightly ludicrous.
Also to be perfectly honest...you hear about companies being hacked or having leaks all the time.

You... wha...?

I haven't run this past my techie friends so may have missed something here, but if this really is about preventing posting of revenge porn, why isn't Facebook putting out a hashing app to be downloaded? Rather than asking for the photos to be uploaded?

Hash the photos on the device where they were taken, send the resulting hash to Facebook. Photos never leave the phone. Facebook still ends up with the hash.

Oh, and other platforms could join in? List of forbidden hashes?

It's also a great way for legit photos to be blocked....send them an official photo of Donald Trump and see what happens....

Ah, Frosty, yep, that's the fatal case. Wherever the hashing is done, it will just result in people using the service to censor pics. Shots of Rohingya refugees? Nah, sorry, been labelled revenge porn, won't post.

That's exactly what my DH said Perking, why not make the an app available to everyone if it's serious about stopping revenge porn.
He also pointed out if it's a photo taken without the persons consent or one that was taken and kept on a partners phone how would the subject get the photo to have it hashed anyway.
As far as I am aware computers can't 'see' so someone would have to be looking at the photos to determine if they are pornographic or a wind up (tempted to upload a few cat photos and see).
Peoples opinion of indecency is different as well, personally I'm not offended by breasts on social media if they appear, doesn't mean I want mine up there. Some may have more liberal views and some much more severe, how can you please everyone. I know older generations that do use social media that were absolutely scandalised by a friends holiday shots in a swimming costume.

@phoenixAgainAgainAgain
Aren't you a ray of sunshine.
Yes I'm sure there are many hacks each day. You only need one to work.

@FrostyPopThePenguinLord

The hashes not working - you can have inbuilt allowances. It depends on how the hash is generated.

Indecent images - mens rea and safe harbour

"What if (bizarrely) I wanted my nudies online and my partner didn't and sent them in? "

That isn't allowed on FB.

There would clearly be an appeal for images like Trump or refugees.

There are also likely to be other inbuilt controls like flagging with large amounts of flesh tones in an image.

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Be honest, he flogs cheap laptops at Comet?

@phoenix As I said I'm not really up on all this stuff, as far as I can tell it's a pretty bad idea no matter the legal jargon etc. Uploading naked photos to anyone anywhere seems a bad idea. I wanted a basic explaination and he gave me one, I'm sure there is much more to it than that, however as I'm not planning on uploading any naked photos to Facebook I wasn't really interested in the finer details.

He doesn't really think you understand about what hashing functions are based on your reply, look up MD5 or SHA-256. (I have no idea what that means 😂 Straight from the horse's mouth as it were)

Working in comet would be a little tricky as it ceased trading a few years back, however he seems to be carving out a respectable career in software engineering , which is a shame, I could have done with a staff discount on a new laptop.

Never thought I'd get to witness a tech dick-swinging contest on Mumsnet, yet here we are . Having said that, there have been a few times where I've explained something technical just to be ignored because someone else's "techie husband" said...

I wonder who at the BBC has shares in Facebook ?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-41913740

What about other sites though? Im sure theres actual sites for revenge porn thats not facebook as fb would delete it anyway due to nudity.

But FB doesn't care about other sites, do they? Basically, they've been criticised for being too slow in removing offensive material. I bet their operations teams are massive because it's quite a slog to read through the reports and act on them, so they are trying to automate the task and save themselves some money.

I just thought it was an amusing thing for Facebook to do and that no one in their right mind would actually want to upload them, it's obvious that's only my point of view.
DH doesn't actually use Facebook anymore as it irritates him, but had a laugh when he saw the article and shared it with some workmates who all had a similar opinion.
I genuinely have no idea if they are right or wrong, but I assume as professionals in their field they have a better idea than the average Facebook user.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but from a laymans view I just thought it was a poor idea, and wanted to know if it was legit. If it came up in my email inbox I would delete it immediately as spam...'upload your nudes and they can never be shared by anyone else'.....no thanks....
Knowing my luck I would be the unlucky bastard who manages to upload it to my actual feed rather than their hashing thingy.

I kind of want to see an actual tech dick swinging contest....it sounds like quite a sight 😂😂

With light sabre sound effects...

Gets tiring after a while, believe me. But here's an amusing story for your husband: some dude once argued with me about the use of a hash because he said the search complexity was O(n). I just couldn't convince him that that would be the worst hash function EVER, basically amounting to f(x) = 1

Anyone watch Silicon Valley?

If only they had the rights to See Food.
Not hotdog.

Well this hurling of out-of-date insults and accusing people of dick-swinging is all very fun, but I see no ones tried to answer the rather basic question of why Facebook is asking for photos to be uploaded, rather than offering a hashing app to be downloaded.

Because common sense is the least common of the senses? .

This would be the same Facebook that exposed the identities of their own staff to the terrorist groups that they were working to counter?

Have not rtft so apologies if this has been mentioned already. But it strikes me as yet another form of sexual crime being dealt with by women being asked to adjust their behaviour (don't walk home alone! Send us your nudes!) rather than the male perpetrators (how's about some posters in men's loos that say Don't Rape, for example? Or maybe Facebook could implement some decent safeguards to prevent users from being able to upload any explicit material?).

The very same, OlennasWimple.