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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To think my 8yo should be able to be herself?

35 replies

FizzyCherry · 07/11/2017 09:23

DD is 8, in Yr 4 at school. She has been friends with mostly the same group, boys and girls since nursery.
Sometimes they socialise outside school, sometimes not but they are pretty close.
Over half term, I had 3 separate messages asking if either I could pick up another child to go to a party for one of the group, or did I want DD to go with them etc.
DD wasn't invited, so I said "she's not invited but thanks."
Her not being invited genuinely was fine, we only have a few friends for pizza or whatever on her birthday, so I thought nothing of it.
This morning, getting ready for school, she's told me who was invited -it was every girl in the class (14) bar three, a Jehovah's witness who isn't allowed to go to parties, an Indian girl who has never attended anything she's been invited to, and DD. Both girls have friends at school but no longer get invited because they have said they won't be able to go.
She told she's glad she wasn't asked because the birthday girl said "I didn't ask you because it was too girly for you."
DD isn't girly, she hates pink and princesses, she prefers skate punk type clothes, but she's not particularly anti it, just doesn't choose it for herself.
She likes "proper LEGO" instead of Friends prefers science kits to makeup kits, and is pretty cool, tbh.
This morning she announced "I think I might be a bit more girly so I don't lose all my friends."
I was so shocked she is thinking that, and said "let's discuss it after school when there's more time" but my view is that I will tell her that she shouldn't change a thing but OH is worried she might end up being isolated.
Her best friend is very similar but she went to and apparently loved the girly party.
AIBU to say sod the lot of them, and just make your own way. She has plenty of boy friends to play with but is worried she's somehow "different" to the girls.
I don't think I am, to be honest, because I think different rocks but it's good to get a opinion.

OP posts:
FizzyCherry · 07/11/2017 12:28

Fair point, doobey, I don't for a second think she's better than the other girls because of what she likes.
I do, possibly, think that the other girls, the birthday one in particular, shouldn't use it as a reason to single her out.

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LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 07/11/2017 12:28

I think the pps who have been talking about superiority/inferiority are really insightful and I've just had a not very pleasant lightbulb moment about my own teenage behaviour Blush

On the other side of this, my ASD son has just announced he doesn't want to go to his (hard-won) best friend's birthday because he doesn't like the activity, so we'll be having a biiiig chat about how sometimes it's nice to join in with the things other people like, even if it's not how we'd choose to spend our own time, tonight.

carefreeeee · 07/11/2017 12:29

Sod the lot of them is a really bad attitude! She will need friends to get through life, they may not always be exactly like her, but the world will be very lonely for her without friends growing up.

FizzyCherry · 07/11/2017 12:33

She's not "cool for the sake of it" carefreeeee.
She just makes up her mind about what she likes, that's all. If a friend who likes make up invites her to a party, she chooses a present that child will like. If they are doing something new to her, be it a skateboarding party or a pamper party, she goes and joins in, even if she's not sure she will like it.
As I said, I don't think it's her non girliness that's the real issue to be honest.

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Porpoises · 07/11/2017 12:34

Agree with other posters who worry about the 'true self' thing. Its important that she learns to stick with her moral principles, and its important that she feels allowed to enjoy things that aren't mainstream. But there's nothing wrong with also cultivating similar interests to the people around you. As an adult i am an individual, but I'm also keen to try out hobbies that my friends like, even if i would never choose it otherwise, because its fun to try a wide range of things with different people. Don't push her into any box, whether that's a princess box or a punk box.

MrsOverTheRoad · 07/11/2017 12:45

OP don't focus on her sense of style or interests as the reason for this exclusion.

That's just the way an 8 year old put it.

It sounds like a bit of mean-girlness to me. I would speak to DD's teacher to ensure there's no general or low level bullying happening.

Does DD get asked on many playdates?

Trafalgarxxx · 07/11/2017 13:28

Dc1 (who is a boy) has had similar issues in fitting in (different reasons but some of them were about him not fitting in with what a boy is supposed to do/like).

He has said some similar things in the past just to be able to fit in.
He has kept his own style and views and likes. And i think this is because he did that on purpose as in he knew what he was doing and why (and therefore that this wasn’t quite him).
I think it’s hard though to be an outsider and to feel you never quite fit in.
The best thing you can do imo is to boost her self esteem rather than making it an opposition to ‘doing girly things’ etc....

Starlight2345 · 07/11/2017 13:31

I would ask for a quiet word with teacher without DD, to see if there are any issues..

To me to exclude one child ( I know there are another 2 not going but not the same circumstances) is wrong.

Urubu · 07/11/2017 13:33

It's much easier as an adult to say 'sod the lot of them', much harder at school where the whole currency of social interaction is based around conforming
Well said

Trafalgarxxx · 07/11/2017 13:34

caefree I dint agree with you with the superiority thing.
I believe that putting down what others are doing is plain wrong. Everyone has different tastes.

But the reality is that it’s likely that someone who doesn’t quite fit in will hear very often that when they xxx they are weird, it’s an a crap thing to do etc... rather than the other way around.
Eg in my dc case, he is hearing many many times that his hobby/sport is weird, how can you do that etc... but no way he will ever be able to say that football is crap...

I really really wouldn’t encourage my child to go out of their way to show that what is considered ‘normal’ or mainstream is great just to fit in if it is so happens they just don’t like it.
Not wouod I encourage them to not be evalangeilcak about one of their interests because it happens not be mainstream.
Because frankly, if said child was doingbthat about a sport or activity considered OK, no one would bat an eye lid or see that as being superior.

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