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To wonder why MPs have cheap bars?

157 replies

bigbadshewolf · 06/11/2017 22:54

Been mentioned in media a lot lately re 'drink fuelled' culture and there being several cheap bars in Houses of Parliament. Why are they there? Why are they cheap? Assuming it's public funds subsidising? Anybody know?

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ArcheryAnnie · 07/11/2017 10:57

SukiTheDog I still can't quite believe I'm on here defending MPs - but the answer to zero hours contracts, no lunch breaks, etc isn't to impose those on everyone, it's to get rid of them for everyone.

Most of the people you will see in a coffee bar in Westminster aren't people taking a break, they are people having a meeting, and that's just an easy place to have it.

(And - as I've already pointed out - MPs can't claim meals on expenses any more, and haven't been able to for some time.)

RainyApril · 07/11/2017 10:59

But it's not subsidised. It's run close to cost, £3.70 for a pint, food quite costly according to a pp. It isn't just MPs, it's all the support staff and visitors. 50% of food/drink sold is to visitors. I don't understand how anyone can object to this arrangement really.

Zoll · 07/11/2017 11:04

Oh, perhaps I think this thread is an expression of the Ultimatum Game. What do you think?

jay55 · 07/11/2017 11:15

Places that avoid tax, like Google have massive perks on the food and drink front. I’ve been for loads of free meals in their staff canteen. We’re subsidising all of that through their lack of tax contribution.

limitedperiodonly · 07/11/2017 11:44

Zoll That's interesting. She's also a terrible sniffer Grin

sanddune11 · 07/11/2017 13:03

(And - as I've already pointed out - MPs can't claim meals on expenses any more, and haven't been able to for some time.)

I think they changed the way the expenses system worked after the big overhaul a few years ago, because of the fiddling. But as far as i know they're no worse off than they were, i'm sure i read that since they changed it all they're now better off. Hardly surprising, they've always looked after themselves well.

Zoll · 07/11/2017 13:11

@limitedperiodonly Hee, oh, she is a bit, isn't she? I didn't notice before as I was watching on 1.25 speed (I'm so impatient).

noblegiraffe · 07/11/2017 13:19

they've always looked after themselves well.

Yes, like their 11% pay rise of thousands when the rest of the public sector has had pay freezes and a measly 1%.

Vitalogy · 07/11/2017 14:37

What about the restaurants? Should they go as well? Yes, they can take sandwiches!

I can't believe there's so many people on this thread defending these leeches.

sanddune11 · 07/11/2017 14:47

Nor me vitalogy especially with what's going on with Universal Credit, a system designed to make the poor and disabled even more poor. Absolutely evil.

LongWeek · 07/11/2017 15:14

If they didn't have the restaurants, they HoC wouldn't be able to 'sell' to external people who use the premises for events.

Lots of MPs do take sandwiches. Lots of staff (house staff & MPs staff) and external visitors & journalists use the restaurants & bars.

MPs cannot claim for any food or drink. Exception: if they have a registered volunteer, that person can claim for their own lunch. MPs can (since 2017) claim coffee & tea for their constituency office. Before that, their own staff or the MP paid for tea & coffee.
And every single expense has (rightly) to have a receipt, and every penny accounted for & claimed through detailed system.
You can find all the rules, details & every single claim at www.theipsa.org.uk

My DH is an MP. Yes, he claims London accommodation. We live too far for him to commute, and yes the salary is good, but it wouldn't cover 2 homes & all the costs. We cannot claim any furniture/duck hoses etc.
(He took a significant pay cut to be an MP having worked for 6 months for free to get elected)
Smile

LongWeek · 07/11/2017 15:18

And tax payers have paid for us to have better security at our home in the constituency.

When you get emails detailing exactly how someone will kill you and your children, it's nice to have.

MPs may seem to be leeches, but generally they're trying to help people, even when those people are extremely unpleasant.

ArcheryAnnie · 07/11/2017 15:29

Yes, they can take sandwiches!

Vitalogy for the umpteenth time, an MP's working day is really, really unpredictable, and depends on all sorts of things. They don't do a 9 to 5, and are never really off-duty - or at least the good one's aren't. I'm sure some do bring their own sandwiches, but I don't think it's an issue for some of them to want a hot meal from time to time.

Would you be prepared to live miles away from your family for half the week, and then have people be cross with you because you didn't live off sandwiches you made yourself at home? It's ridiculous.

RainyApril · 07/11/2017 15:41

LongWeek, hats off to your dh, whatever his political persuasion, because it's not everyone who would be happy working those hours for that salary and all while being on the receiving end of a lot of vitriol.

Honestly, complaining that there are bars and restaurants at Westminster that operate at cost rather than making a profit, some people will moan about anything.

Vitalogy · 07/11/2017 16:07

There's nothing wrong with having a restaurant or canteen but it shouldn't be subsidised by the tax payer.

SukiTheDog · 07/11/2017 16:19

Vitalogy exactly so.

expatinscotland · 07/11/2017 16:22

Still not getting why they need access to alcohol. Food, yeah, I can see that, but surely no one needs booze and especially not subsidised by taxpayer booze.

SukiTheDog · 07/11/2017 16:50

Perhaps we should have a “subsidised by the tax payers” staff bar in NHS hospitals? God knows, after a 12 hour shift, I could murder a pint 😊

Vitalogy · 07/11/2017 16:50

Roast top of beef for £4 in London anyone!?

www.parliament.uk/documents/foi/Week%201%20-%20Debate%20Daily%20Menu%20-%20Monday.pdf

ArcheryAnnie · 07/11/2017 16:51

Nobody needs booze at all, expat and yet pubs exist.

Is it ever worth making a sensible, factual answer in these threads, because nobody appears to read them? The bars aren't subsidised, in the normal commercial sense of the word. But it's not a normal place, not least because it's impossible to gauge the cost of, for example, premises and security, or separate them out from the costs of the Palace of Westminster as a whole. The costs of running all the catering outlets together is more than the cost of the food and drink paid for, because this is not a normal commercial outlet, and operates even where there is little turnover, and in circumstances where the clientele is incredibly unpredictable (recesses and snap elections, anyone?). Plus the catering staff get exciting things like pensions.

Here's the response to a Freedom of Information request about the costings.

It is important to note that catering services for the House of Commons are provided by an in-house team who do not provide a subsidised service in the commercial sense of the word. However, the overall cost of providing the service does exceed the income received in sales due to the irregular hours and unpredictability of parliamentary business. The House monitors the contribution or cost of each venue. The contribution or cost of each venue is calculated by subtracting the food and operational costs from the catering sales. Prices of food and drink are regularly benchmarked against appropriate external comparators. Please also note that the customers who use the on-site catering venues include some of the 650 elected Members of Parliament. However, they also include around 14,500 other pass-holders (MPs’ staff, House staff, civil servants, contractors’ staff, Peers, members of the Press Gallery, etc.) as well as a large number of non-pass holding visitors to Parliament.

ArcheryAnnie · 07/11/2017 16:53

Whenever I have a hospital appointment, I stay afterwards for a good cooked breakfast, because it's very good and very cheap in the hospital canteen. But those NHS scrounging bastard doctors should take their own sandwiches in! Doctors earn a really good salary!

Vitalogy · 07/11/2017 16:56

Or potato and thyme soup with truffle oil for £4.60.

www.parliament.uk/documents/foi/CDR-week2-20121029-20121105-v1-0.pdf

loveka · 07/11/2017 17:00

It is just non profit making.

The food isn't super cheap, but it is cheaper than somewhere that might make a huge profit for shareholders.

ArcheryAnnie · 07/11/2017 17:01

That's a sandwich, Vitalogy. Something similar in M&S costs between £3.80 and £4.