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AIBU to want my in-laws to stop their puppet-mastering?

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MrBuxx · 06/11/2017 12:28

Hi all, first post here and I’m afraid it’s something of a long one...

(As I’m aware that for many this will probably be too much, the TL;DR version of the below is basically: My in-laws are very controlling and have very different views about the ‘proper’ and decent way that my children –daughter especially- should be raised. My wife usually sides with them as it’s “the way she’s been brought up”. I have been brought up differently and think some of the things they say are utter tripe, and feel that they gang up on me. Help!)

I married my wife five years ago and we now have two beautiful kids who are the centre of our world- a daughter , 4 and a son, 2.

My wife is (and always has been) far too dependant on her parents- she calls/ FaceTimes them at least 5 times every day- other members of my family (and my wife’s uncle) have commented on this. When married, her uncle (a retired vicar) told me “be careful- you know how she is with her parents”. I think this dependancy has got worse since parenthood.

I feel I should set the scene somewhat, so here goes:

My Wife’s parents are well-off. Her Mum used to work in the financial industry and made some “wise” investments I’m told. She helped us buy our house (my own parents were not in a position to help with this)- I pay mortgage, wife pays her mum back as-and-when she can afford it, as whislt I work full-time, she works two days per week (as well as some additional income from home). My FIL is insane. Neurotic does not even begin to describe him. Always worries about potential worst-case scenarios (as an example just yesterday he advised not to put a dishwasher-safe IKEA cup into the dishwasher, in case it overheated and melted the cup- I thought to myself “if the effing dishwasher overheated, we’d have bigger problems than a melted plastic cup”). He also has an extremely short temper and cannot take ANY stress. My MIL and wife usually tread on eggshells around him. As tempting as it is I won’t continue the character assassination here for fear of going off-track.

As well as the helping with our house purchase, my mother-in-law handles all my wife’s finances, completing tax returns on her behalf, and generally advises her on expenditure.

And then there are the annual all-inclusive holidays. We have had lovely times, but I feel indebted to them...

Anyway, the in-laws’ interfering with upbringing of my kids started 4 years ago, around a week after my daughter was born. When changing daughter’s nappy my MIL and FIL double-teamed me out of the blue with “Don’t say bum, it’s not very ladylike- you should say bottom” My wife then sided with them... I was speechless, went bright red, but managed to hold my ground and keep saying bum. Every time they are around (which can be as often as EVERY TWO WEEKS), they continue the “bottom” reinforcement with both my children.

For the last four years things have continued along these irksome, infuriating lines. Far too many instances and examples of their control over my wife, and attempted control of my children to list here, but some more recent examples are: (to my daughter)- “You shouldn’t say I need to go to the toilet, say please may I go to the bathroom”, (my Daughter says something mildy cheeky)- “Don’t say silly things like that (my Daughter’s name)”. Most times I would take my wife to one side and voice my concerns with her parents interfering, and she’d more-often than-not-take their side but we’d agree to disagree.

Last night things came to a head. After bathtime MIL and wife were in my son’s bedroom. I was drying off my daughter which ended up in a tickle, then a play chase with me blowing a raspberry and tickling her when I’d caught her. Giggling, she runs into my son’s room “Haha! Mummy, daddy caught me and prentended to poo on me!”. Her interpretation of these events struck me as hilarious, so I started laughing. At that point I heard a disapproving mutter from my mother-in-law, and my wife called my daughter in to my son’s room. “Here we bloody go then..” I thought.

My wife parroted something that my MIL had said along the lines of “You know, sometimes when people make jokes about poo it’s not funny, and you shouldn’t laugh...”

Flashpoint. I see red (the thought that my wife has assumed that I was miming defecating on my child, presuming the absolute worst of me was too much), and retaliate with how utterly ridiculous that sentence is, and how it’s okay for children to laugh at silly things and be cheeky occasionally. After all, I’m her dad and I was raised in a fun, relaxed way AND words like “poo” and “bum” are even in stories we read to them, and on kids TV sometimes. I’m hardly teaching her to “Eff and Blind” or anything.

More muttering and talking between my wife and MIL, and then something truly astonishing. “But it’s different for girls! Girls should be raised in a more ladylike way! (Daughter’s name) should be raised to be feminine- we want people to like her, and we want (the right) men to want to care for her eventually, don’t we?”

Utterly astonished at this but forcing calm at this point as I realise that our children are still in the vicinity, I say something along the lines of how our daughter is a child, and I cannot believe how archaic and backwards the statement that has just come out of my wife’s mouth is. Our daughter needs to be encouraged to be who she wants to be, to do what SHE wants to do, to LOOK AFTER HERSELF first and foremost. I tell her I cannot believe the utter tripe that I have just heard come out of her mouth.

“You just think we’re posh and are against our views”.

Utter, utter nonsense I say.

All of this has happened within earshot of my MIL, and at this point she either finally realises where I stand on these matters and that I’m not going to submit, or just wants to avoid a major row in front of my kids. We are urged to stop arguing and put the children to bed. I tell my wife that I don’t want to fight. We put our children to bed. MIL goes downstairs.

After kids are sleeping we meet on the landing. I say how we need to chat properly about this, how we never set boundaries before the kids were born and need to meet in the middle somehow.

“Not now” she says, gesturing downstairs (presumably meaning that we don’t want to get her dad involved).

I agree, but say we do need to address this. Also, I say, the way we bring up our kids is between US. The two of US. Not anyone else. She gives a kind of forlorn nod. We go downstairs, and weirdly it’s like nothing has happened. MIL is acting normally, and I’m not sure if FIL is even aware of the argument. I am so mentally tired by this point I just go along with things.

I’m sure that the in-laws will continue to try to manipulate my daughter and kids, maybe more out of my sight for a while.

I also intend to continue this discussion with my wife tonight now that things are more out in the open.

So, I guess my question is “how do I fix this?” I cannot see my wife breaking the dependency on her parents and thinking for herself...

Speaking to my folks on the phone this am my Mum suggested marriage counselling might make her realise the ridiculousness of the situation, but do I really want to go through that?
I will endure anything for my kids, but I really am fed up with the way things are with my in-laws.

OP posts:
Easilyflattered · 06/11/2017 16:10

Undermining people in their own homes is the height of poor manners and breeding IMO.

I think your mum's idea of marriage counseling is a good idea. I expect a counselor will encourage your wife to realise that her parents have far too much control, or that she is still too reliant on their approval for her sense of self worth.

Sprogletsmuvva · 06/11/2017 16:10

Send your PiLs round to my house. DP, DD and I regularly giggle over each other ‘s (and our own) farts.

With luck they would explode, and no longer be a problem Grin

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whoareyoukidding · 06/11/2017 16:15

I agree with the person who said move to Australia and I'm not even kidding. Your wife reminds me of an ex of mine and I absolutely sympathise.

Jux · 06/11/2017 16:16

Counselling is exactly what you and dw need. She needs to see what is considered rational, and why, and she needs to hear and see it from a third party.

Appuskidu · 06/11/2017 16:17

Have you read 'The Little House'!?

Honestly-they sound horrific and are way too involved in your life.

PenelopeStoppit · 06/11/2017 16:18

You and your wife have allowed them to have financial control. They now feel they own you. Not the best example to show your daughter when you want to teach her to grown into an independent woman who can take care of her own finances. Sell the house. Pay back all money. Downsize if necessary and move as far away as you can. It will be telling if your wife refuses to support you with this.

Walkingonsunshine1992 · 06/11/2017 16:19

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Gemini69 · 06/11/2017 16:20

Good lord Mr Buxx.... I read that like it was from a Dickens novel... credit to you Sir for not losing it already.... Grin

I agree with everything you have said.... your PIL have far to much influence in your marriage .. in your childrens lives... in your home.. in your financial affairs... gawd darn everything... Hmm

Keeping a lif on it it's credited to only you ..... Yes this needs to be discussed and in great detail.... Flowers

Good Luck Sir Star

Trafalgarxxx · 06/11/2017 16:28

Honestly?
The way they are living isn’t the way I am parenting my dcs or living my own life
However, they are basically standing up their grounds on what they see as something normal to do.
I’m not British but the one thing that jumped to me is that you were probably form two very different background/class.

Neither of you is right or wrong.
The PIL seem to be living in an area that is long gone. But it does not mean they are wrong.
Eg my own father still correct my dcs when they say ‘please’ with ‘please who? You are not talking to the dog but to your mum/gran/whoever’. For him not saying who you are saying please to is extremely rude (and yes I was raised like this too.... and yes it’s going back to the 1900). The point is that what I see and what my dad sees as rude are different. Just like what you see and what your dw sees (and her parents) as rude are different.

Bottom line for me. If you start from the pov of I am right and she is wrong, you will go nowhere. Having 90% of people on MN saying you are right amounts to nothing either. I’m sure you are not raising your dcs a certain way just because that the wamost people do, even if it doesn’t a.ign with your own values. Having more people sharing the same values still doesn’t make them more true or valid.

So have a chat with your dw and agree on what you want to achieve with your dcs. Agree on the VALUES you what to teach them, esp with your dd. Seek to find an agreement t and a common ground. that will mean you compromising on some points which is very different than what seems to happen now (you being up going along what your dw and her family thinks is right).
Or if you find that actually your values are too far apart maybe consider separating.

WickedLazy · 06/11/2017 16:30

They don't sound posh, just boring, old fashioned, and worried about nonsense. The attitude to your daughter is clearly sexist and unfair, and will be far more damaging in the long run than the word "bum" (or arse, shite, whatever!). You don't want to be like that either by trying to control your wife. I don't think things will change until your wife grows up, and cuts the apron strings. Which some people never do. It sounds like your personalities clash, and you have different values. Your in laws sound awful, and your wife like their puppet. You have my sympathies.

mydogmymate · 06/11/2017 16:32

Has your wife considered how she’ll manage when her parents die? Maybe you should put that to her as no one is invincible and it will happen eventually.
This happened to someone I know. She was infantalised by her parents despite having a partner and two children. The parents where unhealthily involved with the family, all the woman’s leisure time was spent with her parents and they encouraged it. Then the mother died and she fell apart, both practically and emotionally. It took her a long time to get in her feet, but eventually said she wished she hadn’t been so dependent on her mum. Hard way to grow up.

I can’t understand that sort of attachment to parents, I never liked mine enough to allow that sort of control!!

SexandDrugsandaNiceCuppa · 06/11/2017 16:39

They're not posh; no upper class person would be caught dead using the word 'bathroom' - it's lavatory or loo. Nouveau springs to mind...
Your FIL sounds horrific, is your wife scared of him? A lifetime of being screamed at and belittled may well be behind her desire not to rock the boat with him. I suspect your MIL is his enabler too. As others have said, counselling for the two of you could really help - your wife also sounds like she would benefit from some CBT.

tinymeteor · 06/11/2017 16:39

Counselling is great but don't go into it with the attitude of "hopefully this neutral third party will explain to my wife why I'm right about everything". Listen as much as you talk. If she disagrees with you on some things, fair enough, you'll have to find a compromise. But maybe it will help her to sort out what she truly thinks, as distinct from what her parents tell her to think.

ijustwannadance · 06/11/2017 16:55

Why won't they let your wife drive to their house?Confused

Your wife has been beaten into submission from childhood and clearly has no mind of her own and is unable to make adult decisions without consultation. Very sad.
She needs professional help to see how damaging this dependency is so s1he can learn to speak for herself.

Your BIL has the right idea distancing himself from his parents extremely controlling behaviour.

Your kids, your rules. They sound completely up their own arses.

JWrecks · 06/11/2017 16:56

As PP have said, this is largely a wife issue. You two should be a team, a united front. That is absolutely not happening.

Perhaps you can point out to your DW that her parents are treating her like a child (rather than word it that she acts like a dependent child around them), and tell her that she has the power to break away from that and be her own woman? If you phrase it so that you are clearly in her corner, perhaps she will respond?

Actually you've probably already tried all that... What an awful situation. I'm really sorry you're going through it!

oldstudentmum · 06/11/2017 16:58

OMG I really do not know how you put up with this. You have got to do something I agree with your mum marriage guidance, your wife needs an outsider perspective telling her this is not healthy for your marriage. I do wish you luck xx
You should do a blog I think it would be a good way to vent and let off steam. let people comment and show it to your wife! Can you not get the brother to have a chat with her?

On a lighter note I would be very angry in your shoes, do you have caller display on your phone as I would be answering "the (your last name) residendance the man of the house speaking." I would also probably take it up a notch and go all out 1950s style, and proudly announce that you are taking full control of all money matters as that should be the domain of the MAN of the house. however I am rather sarcastic.

nocake · 06/11/2017 19:01

One of the reasons I split with my ex was because of her dependence on her parents, and her parents weren't nearly as interfering as you in-laws. I'd suggest some counseling for the pair of you but if you don't see dramatic changes fairly quickly be prepared to leave.

baffledcoconut · 06/11/2017 19:06

If they were really posh they’d say ‘loo’ and swear fabulously.

Your wife sounds like she turns into a child around them. I’d be doing my nut.

Timefortea99 · 06/11/2017 19:18

They have "bought" you, they feel entitled to have a say. Extract yourself.

Consideringbeingamom · 06/11/2017 19:20

You sound like a lovely man, a fun, great father and husband. I do hope you can sort it out amicably with your wife Flowers Could your in-laws be the ones shipped off to Australia? They sound like such interfering hysterical fools. Ooh they remind me of an ex's family, unbearable. Counselling must be the way forward, I agree.

Sprogletsmuvva · 06/11/2017 19:34

I see no indication that the OP “begged “ his PiLs for handouts. They offered, as parents often do to help out their DC.

Yes, if the OP realised how it was going to turn out, he could have turned them down. But then he’d probably have had his wife moaning about him snubbing her parents, and both her and her parents criticising the lower material standard of living he’d caused the family to have by this decision. OP is left in the wrong either way!

Lethaldrizzle · 06/11/2017 19:39

I have quite controlling in laws but I basically tell them where ti stick it. Also as the kids get older they can see the inlaws are a bit batty

wobblywonderwoman · 06/11/2017 19:43

This is a horrible, suffocating situation to be in. Really controlling.
But it is your wife at fault here, sorry.

She is perfectly entitled to have that much contact with them. In the early days of marriage I had to gently talk to dh about his mother (I didn't want her to know all of our business like his brother told her every detail of his marriage)

I think it has gone way too far!! I would lay it on the line - you are not going to be spoken to and put down all the time. Maybe stop the holidays with them.

Lottie509 · 06/11/2017 20:07

You did know before you married her how she was dependent on them, That doesn't sound like thats going to change.

You both sound like you have very different views on how involved you want grandparents to be to be honest, I dont think her parents do sound like they are smothering, seeing you every two weeks, Your parents dont sound like they bother as much not even turning up to their grandchilds birthday party. The fact you arent bothered by that (which to be fair I think most people would be) shows you are both on completly different wave lengths. She wants her family close you dont.

Try marriage counceling but from your post you dont sound compatible.

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