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To think schools could do dental checks?

192 replies

cheminotte · 02/11/2017 14:25

Just reading that poor dental health is linked to poverty and how many families struggle to find an NHS dentist.
Also read an article earlier this year about a boy in America who died of teeth decay as the infection spread. And recently heard that tooth decay is linked to heart disease.
Could schools do a dental check in reception like they do an eyesight and hearing test?

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Graphista · 02/11/2017 16:04

Again all very well saying 'parents should be taking kids to dentist' for poor parents with no nhs dentist in affordable distance it's not that simple

And yes Blair's contract crap really didn't help.

Letseatgrandma · 02/11/2017 16:04

my son's long sightedness wouldn't have been picked up without that check in reception

FFS-are some people so feckless, they can't even manage to take their own child to the optician and need the school to organise it for them?

So far today, there has been a thread suggesting schools take over the responsibility of teaching life skills (changing a light bulb, car maintenance, getting insurance and opening bank accounts) and now a thread saying schools should be housing dental checks. Seemingly because some parents are useless and seem unable to bring their kids up correctly.

Shouldn't the government (not schools, which are actually institutions of education) start looking at why there are so many incompetent parents?

This morning I read an article saying that teachers should be trained in mental health first aid.

Where does it stop? Teachers are leaving in absolute droves because so much is being piled onto schools. Teachers aren't health professionals and cannot solve all of society's ills.

SloeSloeQuickQuickGin · 02/11/2017 16:05

I like facts and figures - but hte problem starts at home with adults who throw sugar down thier own throats and at their children. Dr Toothpick visiting schools will not address the issue that the UK has an extremely poor diet over all, no matter how much hummous you put in lunch boxes.!

www.nationalsmilemonth.org/facts-figures/

Facts and Figures

National Smile Month reaches more than 50 million people each year and 40 years after its conception it has become the biggest and most effective annual reminder of the importance of good oral health.

But there is still more work to do. There is still some eye opening statistics which continue to shock and amaze us about our oral health.

Poor oral health isn’t just about problems inside the mouth. A smile is hugely important to our personalities, self-confidence, relationships and success.

Our general health is also at risk too as studies continue to associate poor oral health to serious health problems such as diabetes, heart disease, strokes, premature births and other major conditions.

To mark the 40th Birthday of National Smile Month we have out together 40 facts and figures about oral health which may surprise you:
Looking after our teeth

One in four adults admit they don’t brush twice a day, including a third of men.
One in ten admit they regularly forget to brush their teeth.
42% of adults use just a toothbrush and toothpaste for their oral care.
Only 31% of adults use mouthwash.
Shockingly less than a quarter of adults use dental floss regularly.
One in three people have NEVER flossed their teeth.
The UK spends £5.8 billion a year on dental treatments.
Brushing only once a day means your 33% more likely to develop tooth decay.

Visiting the Dentist

61% of adults in England, 60% in Northern Ireland and 69% in both Wales and Scotland now attend their dentists regularly. In 1978, the figure was just 44% in England and 39% in Wales.
Half of adults say they visit their dentist every 6 months and 21% of adults say they visit their dentist annually.
But a quarter of adults admit they have not visited a dentist in the past two years.
More than a quarter of adults only visit their dentist when they have a problem.
Around 2% of the population have never visited a dentist.
The UK is one of the most likely nations in Europe to visit their dentist for a check-up. The UK was ranked second (72%), after only the Netherlands (79%).

The state of our teeth

Only 6% of adults have no natural teeth. In 1978, the figure was as high as 37% in the UK.
The number of adults with 21 or more natural teeth has risen to 86% in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. In 1978, this was as low as 68% in Northern Ireland.
Over four-fifths of the population have at least one filling.
On average each adult has seven fillings.
31% of adults have tooth decay.
A whopping 74% of all adults have had to have a tooth extracted.
Only 9% of men and 11% of women have oral health which is classed as excellent.
66% have visible plaque.
29% of us suffer from regular dental pain.
Nearly half the population are unhappy with their teeth (48%) with discoloured teeth (64 per cent) the main reason for being unhappy.
Mouth cancer is the 10th most common cancer in men in the UK and 15th most common in women.

Our Children’s Teeth

A third of all children starting school each year have signs of tooth decay.Tooth extractions are the biggest reason children are admitted to hospital for general anaesthetics in the UK.
Sugar makes up 15% of the daily calories consumed by four to ten year olds.
In England, children and young people drink sugary soft drinks more often than anywhere else in Europe.
There has been an almost 20 per cent (19.6) increase in children being admitted to hospital with tooth decay between 2010 and 2015.
Two in three children aged 12 are now found to be free of visible dental decay. In 1973, this figure was less than one in ten.
But roughly 40% of children still do not visit the dentist each year.
lynmilne65 · 02/11/2017 16:06

Long sight...............dentist Wow

lynmilne65 · 02/11/2017 16:08

Scotland s excellent

MrsSkeletor · 02/11/2017 16:09

Dentistry is so frightening as a child

Gemini69 · 02/11/2017 16:09

it's the NHS Dentist that treats kids in my Scottish region... I'm not sure where some posters have gotten the idea that the Dentist comes into the school.. he doesn't.. appointments are made and we attend... all kids are given appointments... whether they attend or not I couldn't say.. mine certainly do.. if you forget.. they will find ways of contacting you ... Flowers

Gemini69 · 02/11/2017 16:10

lynmilne65

agreed.. truly excellent up here Flowers

eggsandwich · 02/11/2017 16:11

My ds goes to a special school and they offer a free check up with the dentist that visits the school once a year.

As my ds has a check up every six months at a local dentist anyway we don’t make use of the schools dental visit.

Sally52014 · 02/11/2017 16:19

Jesus, will anything be left to the parents to take responsibility for? Not a school's job to sort dental checks.

TheNaze73 · 02/11/2017 16:22

YABU. This is normally called parenting.

Letseatgrandma · 02/11/2017 16:28

This is a list than a poster on another thread suggested should be covered in schools:

Basic DIY
How to apply for jobs/make CV’s etc
How to get a bank card (and use it)
How to get a credit card (and use it safely - I.e without getting into debt)
How to apply for university/college/apprenticeships
Basic cooking skills (other than a pasta bake a pizza)
How to make doctors appointment and dentist appointments
How to clean
How to iron/fold/wash laundry properly
How to do basic gardening (mowing lawn and weeding)
Proper sex education (mostly consent and types of sexualities)
Basic driving skills
Plus how to get a car/tax/insurance
How to do your taxes
How to shop (food shops, budgeting, spending properly, meal planning etc)
Basic hygiene skills (it’s sad but not all parents give a shit about their kids and some do actually need lessons on how to wash their hair/face/body and what products to use)
Basic manners and social skills (not just please and thank you, but actually conversing with a stranger for directions instead of looking on google)
How to talk about their problems and red flags for mental health that should be looked out for
Ditto for red flags in relationships and friendships
Advice on how to ‘check’ for cancer - boobs/balls/moles etc
Internet safety - more than just ‘look out for the peados kids’
A list of household bills and how to pay them

If you add organising dental appointment in school to that, we really could do away with parent altogether.

pointythings · 02/11/2017 16:33

DDs' primary school had dental checks in reception when they were little (mid 2000s). It was rubbish. My two were seeing an NHS dentist regularly, so I didn't consent for them to be seen when the school appointment came round 6 weeks after their last checkup. They saw DD2 anyway, despite no consent form. Then I got a letter telling me 'there was a problem' - but not what it was. Yep - she had a wobbly tooth. Because she was 5 and in our family, that is when we start losing milk teeth.

So I had a polite word with PALS about the lack of consent and the not very good communication. Am not keen to return to that kind of 'service'.

InfiniteCurve · 02/11/2017 16:43

All the posters going on about how parents should just take their children to the optician - well,yes.But they don't.
Lots of people don't know that eye tests are free for children under the NHS.
Lots of people don't realise that just because a child seems to be seeing ok,that doesn't mean that she is.
Lots of people know nothing about squints and lazy eyes,and how they need treating young.
Many adults who don't wear glasses don't know much about eyes,and how the whole glasses bit works.
Not being able to see properly can impact on a child's education - screening in school is a good way of checking most children,and even the ones with parents who can't be bothered deserve to be able to see.
(Optometrist,btw!)

MiaowTheCat · 02/11/2017 16:54

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MrSnrubYesThatsIt · 02/11/2017 16:55

SilverSpot
Another thing people want schools to do instead of parents!
Why don't we just take all children into a full-time boarding school aged 4 since it seems so many parents can't be fucked to look after their children appropriately?

This ^
100%.
I really don't understand why some people bother having kids at all.
Some of them expect everyone else to pay for the fuck that they followed through on.
For heaven's sake... i give up.

Fifthtimelucky · 02/11/2017 16:57

Dentistry is not necessarily scary for children. Mine started going when they were two and it was fun going up and down in the big chair. They don’t find it scary as they have never had anything done. They are now 20 and 18.

In contrast, I hated going to the dentist as a child and developed a real fear of them which has taken me many years to overcome. I had lots of fillings as a child, and a dentist who didn’t use anaesthetic.

I think there is little excuse for parents who don’t take their children to the dentist, but given that so many parents feed their children rubbish, and give them sugary drinks in bottles, I do think a school check might be sensible in some cases. I wonder if those who say this is done in their schools live in areas where there is more a problem with childhood tooth decay.

cheminotte · 02/11/2017 16:59

I don't think schools / the state can take responsibility. But a nudge to say 'a bit more care needed here' may be enough.

I did take dc2 to the opticians before he started school and they were useless - no idea how to deal with kids. I got a referral because I insisted but most would have not.

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washingmachinefastwash · 02/11/2017 17:01

Scotland has a dental programme in schools.

sadiemm2 · 02/11/2017 17:01

Haven't RTT but schools used to. Plus Audiometry and basic eye tests. We'd love this to happen again, but we need tye cash and the space to do so....

Mol1628 · 02/11/2017 17:05

miaowthecat we have that system in our school too. At induction you check a box if you aren’t registered with a dentist and they find one as local as possible and make an appointment for the child and send a letter. But we do live in an area with lots of tooth decay in children sadly so that’s probably why.

Mol1628 · 02/11/2017 17:06

That was meant to say ‘in our school’ phone added the ‘too’ for some reason.

cheminotte · 02/11/2017 17:11

sadie - do you work in a school?

It's good that Scotland and Wales seem to be doing this. And I like the idea of finding you a dentist as well.
It's easy to say parents should be doing this but why should the kids suffer if the parents don't?

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Dieu · 02/11/2017 17:16

This should be a parental responsibility, of course it should. And these 'buy a child a breakfast' before school initiatives boil my piss too. If you can't provide a box of 40p Tesco value cornflakes for your children, then your priorities have seriously fucked up somewhere along the way.

FizzyWaterAndElderflower · 02/11/2017 17:17

They used to at my primary (in England) - once or twice a year a porta-cabin van thing rolled up and we were all trooped in for a checkup (jar of pink water with the instruments in - I can still remember the taste!)

I think I learned later on here that it wasn't a universal thing though, that it was part of some study that was being done.