To think if you had sex with a pupil you should not teach again?

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Surely?

I mean, regardless of the mitigating circumstances, surely this should not ever be allowed to happen?

www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/teacher-lesbian-fling-barton-pupil-13451577

So she could be teaching again in 5 years and if you read the actual link initially they only wanted to ban her for 2 years?

The age is definitely relevant. Since 2003, it has been an offence to have a sexual relationship with anyone under the age of 18 if you are in a position of responsibility over them - e.g. teacher.

Fairly sure that it's not an offence for a teacher/lecturer to have a consensual relationship with an adult. Although it isn't very professional and would probably be a sackable offence.

I am not talking about it being a criminal offence.

The national college is not is criminal trial and does not have the same standards.

Their only decision is whether to give her a prohibition order and how long for.

They have given her a prohibition order but she could in theory have it lifted after five years. This sends the message that her actions weren't that bad.

They were.

Not being goady or anything but what is the law if the student is an adult (say 27 or something) like adult uni students?

Does this mean that in five years time she could be working as a private tutor without disclosing?

I'm just trying to think if there's a loophole where she would be able to work as a teacher again?
Coming from the perspective of, well if she has to tell at an interview she won't be working as a teacher again, but is she able to find a way around that?

I hope not.

Even now our children aren't protected very well, are they?

It's been so many years since holly and Jessica, nothing's really that much better than they were if this teacher and those alike are ever to step foot in a school again.

Absolutely not - she should be banned for life. Unless, of course the pupil is 18+ and it can be proved they met at an outside event rather than through her work. If she had never actually taught this pupil she may have no idea who he is. Those are extremely rare circumstances though. I don't think it's hard though - don't have sex with your pupils. At all.

No one would blame a teacher for sleeping with an 18 yo on August 31 who turned up in their class September 1.

It's the abuse of power

Comparably it is peng when you look at the lifetime bans handed out.

Really peng

She fucking groomed a child

Of course she should never be allowed to teach again.

I'm a teacher.

A teacher sleeping with a 17 year old might not be breaking the law. But is still abusing their trust and as such is committing gross misconduct.

This.

The thought of working with someone who would do this is really grim.

An 18 yr old who is groomed by a teacher who has vastly more power is still the vulnerable one in the situation.

Fairly sure that it's not an offence for a teacher/lecturer to have a consensual relationship with an adult. Although it isn't very professional and would probably be a sackable offence.
As regards uni lecturers, we are all supposed to be adults and only restriction is that you are supposed to disclose if you are in a supervisory or assessment based situation. But I know several academics who later married their former PhD students. Students, academic and admin and support staff, all adult colleagues and as long as no favouritism as regards assessment and no inappropriate behaviour, then uni says who you sleep with as a consenting adult is none of their business. But still fraught with issues if you're not open about things.

I think the school setting is relevant.

The thing is she would have to apply to the high court to have the ban lifted. In practice it's incredibly difficult to convince a court that a panel decision should be overturned - essentially it's a form of judicial review, and there has to be some serious evidence to suggest that the teacher has completely turned their life around and taken ownership of their actions, plus a pressing reason to reinstate them as a fit teacher. Bans are not set aside lightly and the NCTL will be asked to present a case about why the ban should continue too.

Teacher misconduct cases are interesting to observe, members of the public can go along to most of them and observe the evidence given on both sides.

I just feel it minimises grooming. Which is a poor show for the teaching profession.