Am I a CF, or is my neighbour?

[HighwayDragon1]

To get my bins round to the front they have to be brought round the back of my house. I have access rights over my two side neighbours drive, and a path that runs to my side entrance. One neighbour has grassed over the path, he's overly anal about his front lawn. He spends hours on it weekly, I've seen him trim the sides with scissors.

Here's the problem, the way the cars are parked I simply can't do the bins without running over his lawn (that used to be a path!) He's just had a massive go at me for "churning up his garden" and he ranted for nearly 5 minutes about how he was going to report me to my landlord for destroying his property. I told him I had a right to use a small strip, he told me I didn't. I said I'd double check and scarperd.

So am I a CF to keep using his lawn or is he a CF for basically cutting my access and shouting at me?

I too think that CF neighbour is hoping to extinguish the right of way by making it fall into disuse.

Your landlord ought to make a point of marching up and down the right of way at least once a year and recording it with photographs showing a newspaper with the date. I know someone who does something similar every Christmas because its an easy date to remember.

If you or your landlord felt like it, you could get a copy of CF's property title from the Land Registry (be sure to use the .gov site, all others are scammers)i

He's being a cf. If you have access you are fully entitled to use it and not be forced to leave your bins out or ask neighbours to park differently. Get a copy of the deeds and check.

Put the bins at the right side of your house and put them behind a trellis which you can grow evergreen plants over and then you can't see them and your neighbour's lawn isn't ruined.

If it's your car then move it. I can't get my bins out without moving my car. I take the bin to the back of my car. Back in the house, out the front door, pull car forward two foot. Get bin in front garden and move car back.

If they're his cars and you have a right of way then keep on going over the grass.

Can any lawyers confirm or refute that "access rights" can be construed to mean the OP should be able to get her bins through the space, or just the OP in person ??????

I know of a not very nice person who put a step in the access that they had to provide for their neighbour who needed it to get their wheelchair from back (well, side) to front. Without spending a lot of money, it seems that "access" just means pedestrian access - which might exclude "with bins".

He's a cheeky fucker. What does he do with his own bins?

You need to double check with your landlord regarding the access rights and whether there is a specific definition of them in his deeds. I suspect the landlord would be unhappy if their rights are being eroded by the neighbour trying to claim sole use of the strip of land.
Your neighbour sounds obsessed with his lawn - who uses scissors to trim???

I don't quite understand the diagram.

Also how can a wheelie bit churn up a lawn anyway? Unless you're doing wheel spins or it's ridiculously heavy??

How does your nice next door neighbour move their bins to the front?

A right of way is not nor can be, extinguished through non use. If it is on the deeds of your house or the neighbour's then he hasn't a leg to stand on.

He's the CF
He's trying to annexe a bit of property that's not his.
And being rude to you to boot

Obvs you need to add detail to your diagram wrt front doors and cars and ownership

So we can sympathise more

Report to landlord to sort

Can any lawyers confirm or refute that "access rights" can be construed to mean the OP should be able to get her bins through the space, or just the OP in person

It will say on the deeds. We had one across our land and it said with a wheelbarrow. It was very old and in modern times that was considered to mean wheely bins, bicycle etc. but not motor vehicles. It is not legal to block them or impede access in any way. In this case if he doesn't want the grass churned up he should have left the path, and no the OP shouldn't leave her bins out front or do anything at all to concede her right to pass.

Is that clearer? Cars are nice neighbours, but it's MUCH tighter than it looks on my diagram, you can just about open the car does on all of the cars (thought spots)

I’ve come to expect use of staedler 0.6mm fineliners, and use of rulers and set squares, to be honest. Good use of colour, though.

You have access rights. I sympathise: you’re obviously right, even though you’re not yet fulfilling your diagrammatic potential.

tell him you do have right of access and how does he propose you use it?

Have I missed a parking thread? Where is this diagram you all speak of?

With regards to OP, I re-iterate what everyone else has said; check access rights and speak to your landlord

Your Neighbour is the cheeky fucker not you. I'd continue to use the access. I'd suggest to him that he speaks to the landlord.

I liked your diagrams. It's true that I have seen better but it's also true that the standard can be very high on MN. 🤔

Iris65
Going to play Devil's advocate here. So you would rather churn up your neighbour's lawn than look at the bins?

he shouldn't have been a twat and grassed it over.

HighwayDragon1

You are not in the wrong. you have a right of way.

It will say on the deeds. We had one across our land and it said with a wheelbarrow. It was very old and in modern times that was considered to mean wheely bins, bicycle etc. but not motor vehicles. It is not legal to block them or impede access in any way. In this case if he doesn't want the grass churned up he should have left the path, and no the OP shouldn't leave her bins out front or do anything at all to concede her right to pass.

That's fascinating, thanks. Sounds like people have always been twats then.

Update

I called my ll last night, he came this morning, we had a chat about what happened and had a look at the deeds. I am indeed entitled to use that space. He took a copy of the deeds over to CFN. Well the guy went crazy, shouting at my LL that he had made them up, and that he wasn't even my ll because he knows the owner of my house personally and I'd sent the heavies there to bully him over HIS lawn. That noone who was that scruffy could possibly own a house he doesn't own one, he owns several and slammed the door. Ll pushed the deeds through his door with highlighted bit of access.

Ll told me to call him if we ever need help and he'll come straight away (he's so lovely)

Wow! LL sounds nice though.

I feel so sorry for my ll he's just so nice (always drops DD a birthday/Christmas card round with a fiver in, his son is my age, no kids!) I was stood by my front door so heard it all. He looked very shaken when he came back.

Your LL sounds fabulous!

CF neighbour lost his blob because he’s wrong!!

Good for you 😁