to think , if you voted Tory, you have no right to complain about your lack of a pay rise?

[DrSeuss]

Over lunch a colleague, who I know is a Tory voter because she told me so herself, was complaining that, as public sector workers, we won't be getting a pay rise. It took all my self control to not make a scene in the staff room! What did she expect to happen?
AIBU to want to point out to her that she got just what she asked for?

This is right up there with my friend who is a passionate Brexiteer moaning about the damage Brexit is already doing to her family's business which relies heavily on European trade!!

I don't understand this 'all politicians are bad' lark. The Tories flagship policies for the last 8 years have been about cutting: public services, infrastructure investment, social security (except pensions) and public sector pay.

If you didn't agree with those priorities, surely you would not vote Tory? There was certainly a choice of policies.

If you did vote Tory, presumably you think those things are good for the UK, or at least the people you care about. If you vote Tory and work in the public sector you made a conscious choice to donate your money to the wealthy- through wage cuts to pay for their tax cuts.

The only thing you perhaps could complain about, is that this government is much more incompetent than anyone could have predicted.

^This in bucket loads,

YANBU OP.

It is like my elderly neighbour who voted Tory due to 'all the scroungers who want something for nothing'. Well, when she recently had a hip replacement she was appalled to discover the paucity of post procedure home help / district nursing available. 'How on earth will I manage with washing and dressing myself etc?' she asked. Well, you need to suck it up or self fund your care was the reply from NHS.

Yep, don't expect something for nothing in Tory Britain neighbour and this is what you voted for.

I think a lot of people hear the rhetoric and think it applies to other people - people not like them, not their friends, their families, etc.

Like the woman who voted for Trump and then was taken aback when they came to remove her husband who was an illegal immigrant.

They'd been together for years, he always worked, they had kids etc and she obviously didn't connect what he was saying with her at all. Which is a bit weird but explains why some people do this sort of thing.

Maybe this has just been my experience but most of the Tory voters I know are the 'I'm alright Jack' type and simply lack the empathy and understanding that things might not actually be so alright for others in their community... which does not make these others 'scroungers' or 'naive' or 'communists wanting to turn the UK into Venezuela'.

Until they discover that Conservatism turns round and bites them on the arse when they are themselves [or their loved ones] most vulnerable due to loss of employment, ill health, relationship breakdown, etc...

YABU. They may have voted tory because they didn't want to wind up living under a hard left government that could risk descending into communism as opposed to because they thought that pay increase for public sector workers was a bad idea. Just saying.

they didn't want to wind up living under a hard left government that could risk descending into communism as opposed to because they thought that pay increase for public sector workers was a bad idea. Just saying.

Ttbb, then they should learn not to believe everything they read in Daily Mail.

I voted Tory and have done always, I strongly believe that the state should not get too involved with the private lives of individuals living in the state. as long as the individuals are obiding by the democratic laws of the land.

I would hate to live in a nanny state, I think competition in industries is a good thing, including privatising certain aspects of the public sector, On paper that should stimulate innovation and drive down cost and waste (think stupid processes that are only there because red tape)

I hate the tax credit culture, it's a very much them and us culture. You then get the middle income households who need to make a decision of working and being financially worse off than their tax credit counterparts in the short term or continuing working on often a deficit income, so they can continue their careers. Oh and then there is the convoluted process to work out who is owed working tax credits. And the over heads to administer that system.

How about just not taxing people who can't afford to pay tax in the first place..

In addition why can a single parent get help with their rent but a single person on less money not..

I also don't think extra tax on higher earners is the answer. We need competition, we need incentives, so that clever people can do clever things and be incentivised to do so.

Unfortunately none of these clever people work in government.

In addition the NHS crisis is a crisis of self creation. I can assure you there is lots of doctors in this country. I have some insight (some suff I have seen in a industry I have worked in) that lots of doctors locum. And take advantage of the desperate need of the NHS. A locum doctor gets between £500-800 a DAY. But wont go for a perm job, because well why would you?

There are so many layers to society that can't be decided by what political party people have voted for, I personally like policies from all the major parties.

Hypocracy is not limited to the Tory voters, believe me. By all means pull them up on it but be sure that you are evenhanded and not blinded by your own bias........

YANBU

Just because you vote for a party doesn’t mean you agree with all of their policies.

If labour had won, we still wouldn’t have got the bloody pay rise, labour’s economics didn’t work out! I prefer brutal honesty, as a nurse at least I know where I stand.....

In addition why can a single parent get help with their rent but a single person on less money not

A single parent is a single person.

I think what you mean is a childless person.

A housing benefit claim is worked out on an individual basis using a system of income coming in V premiums you are entitled to if your assessable income overtakes the premiums your circumstances entitle you to then your benefit is adjusted accordingly often this means housing benefit will not be paid.

Premiums are awarded for things like people in household, disability,carer that sort of thing. A lone parent premium is exactly the same amount as a single person premium

It is worked out in the same way for everybody lone parents don’t get a special high rate of housing benefit.

Wine can't you see the contradictions in your post? Free market forces do not work, government always have to step in to help it along.

Nanny state? Rubbish, I think I'd rather live in a country that wants a decent standard of living for everyone. Living in the free market state gives many misery for the benefit of a few.

Tax credit culture? You create this when you don't pay people enough to live on and the government needs to top up income. Even removing tax payments from the lowest earners doesn't help. Plus, many people who receive tax credits don't work because they are Carers and tax reductions have no impact on them.

I agree op, I have no sympathy for anyone who votes Tory but sadly we all suffer for their voting choice.

I love the fact Labour think they can 'save' the NHS, abolish student fee's, buy back the utilities etc, give everyone a payrise, increase benefits blah blah by making Philip Green pay more tax.

I worked for the nhs I was redeployed twice due to cuts in 2005 way before conservative got in people have short memories....

Clearly not as thick as those who would rather our country look like a Venezuela very soon!
Perhaps Mad you may like to take a look at the universal credit thread, I don't think it's the Labour Party heading toward a dictatorship. Particularly after recent events involving said Universal Credit.

I had to bit my tongue the other day talking to a Tory voter complain about the NHS being understaffed.

Yes, a friend of mine voted Tory and has just been assessed by ATOS and it has been decided he is fit for work. He really is not, BUT he used to be all 'only the scroungers will get their benefits took off them' and voted Tory. So whilst I have sympathy for his situation, he kind of brought it on himself too.

He also whinges fairly regularly about NHS services

Might have been capita who assessed him actually. So used to saying atos

Don't particularly like either part ATM but conservative are least worse.
Labours vision of socialism/ communist country is awful and simply wouldnt work... do people really want that?
To me people are willing to sell the country down the river for a few unsustainable promises... short term gain will lead to long term pain.
People will buy into anything if it serves them in the short term with no long term vision.
The tuition fees policy for example... sounds good on surface, but ultimately the degree would then be undervalued, jobs that previously didn't require a degree will ask for them, people will study ridiculous subjects and the tax payer will have to foot the bill... plus he was making this generous offer to non U.K. Students so U.K. Students may not even get a place after all as everyone scrambles in a free for all taking up places and competition would be fierce,

I have lots of friends who vote Tory then complain about privatisation
One true blue said to me last week that public transport should be privatised
Work mate who complained about privatisation of health services said she voted Tory. I said well that is their basic ideology and she said well my Dad voted for them

Labours vision is not radical
It's what most of Europe already has

Labours vision of socialism/ communist country is awful and simply wouldnt work... do people really want that?
Do tell me which bits are communist? I'm fascinated.
The tuition fees policy for example... sounds good on surface, but ultimately the degree would then be undervalued
You mean just like before we had tuition fees? Oh no, that didn't actually happen, did it.
plus he was making this generous offer to non U.K. students
I can find no evidence of this, can you provide it please.

Yea because under labour we’d all have got a pay rise.

Don’t be daft

I think YABU. I'm pretty sure Labour would have been unable to provide the pay rise also. Politics has gotten so nasty and we seem to have lost the ability to respectfully disagree. I generally vote conservative as I believe in personal responsibility and small government, but I'm not too tribal to see the shortcomings on the brexit debacle and seemingly badly thought through welfare reforms. I can be and have been swung to other parties when I like the candidate or a particular issue wins me. I believe that the opposition are good people, just disagree about what good looks like and how we get there.