Do Male Violence and Teacher Complaint threads show similarities?

[LateDad]

This looks a bit TAAT but I mean the wider issue.

There have been several threads about male violence and a similar number of teacher issues/complaints.

AIBU that it seems that similar power-groups post the shut-down NAMALT and YANAT (You Are Not A Teacher) comments?

LateDad, PodgeBod. Really, what's the difference? You're interchangeable

I truly have no idea what you are on about Millicent. I can assure you that I am very much a woman, I would consider myself a feminist and have not read that other thread. I took this as a general discussion. It's not a bloody conspiracy but feel free to report me

People do defer to teachers because of their authority and professionalism and most parents seem anxious not to be that parent . I'd not seen the connection but it could loosely be applied to those not wanting to be a nagging wife. I don't think this should be to the detriment to anyone's wellbeing which is why I don't like thise threads. It is bit self indulgent to worry about what people think in this way

What is a "power-group"?

It's funny how the 'I consider myself a feminist' line always gets trotted out at the very outset of 'and I reserve the right to make light of women's concerns about anything and everything' on MN.

You consider yourself a feminist and you think JoJo bows are cute? Get on with you

I didn't make light of women's concerns? And yes I do think bows are cute and that Jojo is a good role model. Guess I'm a bad feminist.

Yeah you are. :)

People do defer to teachers because of their authority and professionalism As a teacher I see precious little of that attitude on here, where it shouldn't necessarily be the case, but also at school, where it really should be.

Your argument falls apart when you consider the two so-called 'power groups' and their apologists in question. People who defend men on those threads are supporting the group that without doubt has had the balance of power in its favour for ever. They speak against the minority group. People who defend teachers are supporting a group that is increasingly under attack from government and the very groups we are employed to serve - the students, their parents and communities. We face a serious shortage and that is only going to get worse. I would never encourage anyone to go into teaching. I don't think men are similarly at risk.

FFS this thread is pissing me off more and more the more I think about it.

Most people I know defend teachers against the government. They know how hard a job it is.

But my point is that teachers are human and aren't always right. There has been the odd occasion where I have known this to be the case but have not politely challenged them . I regret it because it has sometimes been based on a pathetic insecurity of mine as being seen as a troublemaker and feeling slightly intimidated by the authority and this has truly been to the detriment to my children. I'd never discourage people on here from talking to their teacher if unhappy or worried. Guns blazing no, but definitely talking adult to adult as it is so easy to slip into child mode and indeed for teachers to slip into parent/authoritarian mode at times - I have had it myself and it does shut down communication

I work in customer service. In retail, so God knows I know about difficult people. I do try not to be one of them but must not let that cloud my judgement .

I’m confused - which threads about male violence have been ‘shut down’?

You are really going to learn to make it clear what you mean, OP, because I really can’t see what your point is.

Outside of the Education board much of the discussion is anti-teacher. Teachers therefore get defensive. That is not shutting down conversation.
Frequently, people are urged to approach issues calmly and make sure they have all the facts before they go in on the 'warpath'. That's sensible advice whatever the situation. Not shutting down conversation.
I am a teacher. I have had rubbish teachers and great teachers. I regularly lied to my parents about homework and they worked with the school to try and resolve it.
To imply that this is the same as the discussions of male violence is quite frankly insulting to the extreme.
Many people on this forum at the moment are reading what they think people wrote rather than what is actually being said.

I have had teachers who have done just that when i have been absolutely calm. The vast majority have been fine and have listened.

I am not anti teacher. I know many. My father was one, too - a very good one, v passionate about his job and rarely said anything negative about parents (plenty about the government, though!).

But there are a few who bring the authority out of the classroom and towards parents which never does anything to resolve the issue and the only solution for me has been to escalate it. I never used to.

I get your point about male violence though I do see an element on here who take the man's side when he's obviously being a sexist arse and I'm afraid i can see ithe same towards teachers, too, where the thread in question shows the teacher to be blatantly wrong and on some kind of vendetta but still people defend because she is a teacher

Forgive me if I'm wrong OP, but I think what he is saying is the way that these threads inevitably go is similar not that the two groups or the situation are the same.

I would have to agree, I find both types of threads infuriating. Still read them though

Yeah, that's the way I took - not so much from the perspective of male violence but definitely the general sexism and apologist attitude towards it.

Pengggwn that's your right to do so as it doesn't violate the sites t&c's but I personally think forums work better when we're all mindful of keeping discussion open

But keeping discussion open would mean people keep replying yes? What seems to be being suggested is that if a certain amount of posters have disagreed, anyone else who disagrees does not post until a few people have posted that they agree. Else the people who disagree are accused of 'shutting down conversation' by disagreeing? Thats what I am reading on here anyway

The reason I said that my OP was a bit TAAT is because it is about the MN threads, and NOT about male violence or teacher issues.

To explain further:
A new thread starts about male violence: Within a dozen posts someone will come along with "not all men are like that" and/or "not my DH/DS/DF"

And when a new thread starts: "My child said X, teacher says Y" or similar, within a dozen posts it will be "Your child is wrong, teacher is right" ... and not necessarily from a teacher.

But when I look at other threads, yes, I was BU because it seems to happen to most other threads.

And for the avoidance of doubt no, I was NOT trying to equate male violence with school playground issues -- that would be stupid, nor do I think my posts says or suggests that.

I get it.

There are some VERY tiresome posters who are teachers (or say they are - you never know on the net) and pop up on all of those threads. Their posts are very predictable, patronising, and sneery.