Petition to make Mariano Rajoy resign over Catalonia referendum violence

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AIBU to ask you all to please sign and share? Already at 265,000 signatures and counting.

(Sorry the link is written in Spanish! It just means - Rajoy, resign now.)

Thanks, everyone :)

secure.avaaz.org/campaign/es/dimision_ya/?fpla

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Signed :)

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He won't resign over this. I was horrified at the way it was handled and EU should step in. But I doubt they will.

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We'll just have to pressure him into it Vivienne. The way he and his government handled this was absolutely disgusting. I'm delighted with our government in comparison, tbh.

There's not been a word about it on todays news that I've noticed.It's all about these tragic shootings in the USA.

I would hope people aren't signing a petition in a language they don't understand, for the resignation of a President who is not theirs.

Also, we do not know how the woman pictured came by her injury. I saw a video suggesting she had accidentally fallen down a flight of stairs in a crowd.

While I did see some unpleasant images of Guardia Civil being excessively aggressive with people and I think that the Spanish government have not handled this as well as they might, it doesn't help anyone to get all outraged and carried away about something that is very complicated and that you don't fully understand. Remember that the separatist Catalan government, which do not have the support of a majority of voters, have pushed this through knowing that disorder and violence would be the likely result.

. Remember that the separatist Catalan government, which do not have the support of a majority of voters, have pushed this through knowing that disorder and violence would be the likely result.

Robot, in what universe is it okay for a president to respond to a referendum (which is, essentially, people using their right to freely express their own opinion and to vote) with violence?

I think it's absolutely fair to call for a president to stand down if he has responded to a referendum with violence - how is his response appropriate?

Why shouldn't there also be a petition calling for the resignation of Puigdemont? He has carried out an illegal referendum, sacked/silenced any officials who didn't support it, encouraged people to risk their own safety in the pursuit of his own political goals and declared the independence of Catalonia with the consent of far fewer than half its citizens as if he owns the place.

It's hardly an obvious goodie/baddie situation.

I didn't support the scenes of police violence witnessed on Sunday. But Puigdemont knew that in carrying on with the illegal referendum he was encouraging public disorder, which is usually met with police action.

How is that the behaviour of a good, responsible leader? They wanted this to play out, so that they could gain support from the reactions to the national police/government response. The Catalan people were used for this purpose.

No, I've signed, I'm a Scottish unionist and although it got personal here we managed a vote without that sort of violence and circus.

The whole thing has been horrifically mismanaged and anyone who makes such poor decisions should not be in power. The majority of Catalonia are - or were - not for separatism. I wouldn't blame them for having changed their minds now.

And yes thank you I can read the rudimentary in Spanish as I studied it, however everyone has access to google translate which may not give you the grammar but can check ideas.

Main point is - Catalan separatist parties do not have the support of the majority of voters. It just looks like it, because they are the noisy ones.

It is not Catalans vs Spanish state. It's pretty much Catalan separatists vs Catalan non-separatists with the latter obviously having the Spanish government on their side. Why should the separatists be considered the good guys? The Catalans aren't an oppressed people.

declared the independence of Catalonia with the consent of far fewer than half its citizens

We could apply this same logic to the EU referendum. As far as I'm aware, the EU referendum passed with the consent of far fewer than half of Britain's citizens.

Main point is - Catalan separatist parties do not have the support of the majority of voters. It just looks like it, because they are the noisy ones.

I accept your point, but the point of whether or not the Catalan separatists had the support of the majority is actually neither or there. That's because quite a lot of the voters who made their views heard last weekend, whether they were separatists or non-separatists, were targeted by police and seriously injured. Whether or not Catalan separatist parties have a lot of support or not, and whether or not the referendum was illegal, surely it's unlawful for voters taking part in a referendum to be kicked and beaten up by police??? Nobody voting in our EU referendum last year faced that risk!!

Signed and shared OP.

So you want the elect Prime Minister of the country to stand down and what next?

Whichever side starts violence loses any moral high ground in my eyes.

"have pushed this through knowing that disorder and violence would be the likely result."

It's only the likely result if it's handled how it was... it's not an inevitable consequence of either the vote or people demonstrating to be allowed to vote.