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To ask if you buy free range meat?

104 replies

moutonfou · 30/09/2017 12:46

With the dominance of free range eggs, I'm always surprised that free range meat hasn't taken off in the same way. That being said I'm lucky to only be cooking for two and not sure I could afford to feed 4+ people on free range. But I was surprised when I learnt that two free range chicken breasts start at £3.00 (depending on weight) in our local supermarket and have only bought free range since then.

Does anybody else buy it?

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puglife15 · 01/10/2017 08:15

Yes but "access to outside" can be a small door in a huge barn opening onto a ashphalt courtyard with no shelter or other environmental sensitivity that would make chickens want to go out there.

In other words, it's quite possible (if not probable) that many free range chickens have never been outside.

I have heard of Red Tractor and I don't see it as a label of quality or assurance. Very basic levels of "welfare". Soil Association organic is the only label I'd pay much attention to tbh.

Fishcalledlola · 01/10/2017 08:19

Bought organic mince (on offer). Am a total convert, it didn't smell funny like the mince I was used to and tasted good. Even buy it at full price now!

Tanith · 01/10/2017 08:33

The only meat we buy is direct from a local farmer.
I can actually see for myself how his animals are treated and, because it's direct, it's affordable.

MidniteScribbler · 01/10/2017 08:35

I buy several animals per year and have them raised by a local retired farmer on his land. He does it for a number of people. I'm lucky that I have several freezers so I can store them when butchered. I generally only use our own meat when cooking, but I do admit to looking the other way if I go out to dinner. The quality of the meat can't be compared though.

Where I go on holidays (and where I will eventually move) they have only locally raised meat, and everything else is grown on island. The biosecurity is massive, so almost everything is local. It's absolutely lovely, and no food miles. Most restaurants have their own vege patch, so do most households. You eat whatever is in season.

Joinourclub · 01/10/2017 08:42

I buy very little meat, the kids eat it but I don't. I buy organic free range where I can,but some of the smaller supermarkets are very limited in choice. I try to buy from the local butchers. Local, free range organic meat, plus I can just buy a few sausages for the kids rather than a pack of six from the supermarket.

I buy organic milk too from local suppliers. More expensive than the regular stuff from the supermarket, but I prefer to support local farmers and pay a fair price.

GrumpyOldBag · 01/10/2017 08:49

I'm aware of the Red Tractor logo.

For me though, it's not enough. I look for Soil Association certified in supermarkets, or buy direct at farmers' markets where I know the provenance.

soimpressed · 01/10/2017 08:54

free range and organic whenever possible. I don't eat it often and was a veggie until recently.

wheresmyphone · 01/10/2017 09:06

Red Tractor is no where near the same level of welfare standards as free range. People like Nando's and KFC pat them selves on the back because they use red tractor meat. But it is NOT free range and no where near!

uniquehornsonly · 01/10/2017 09:35

This argument is mostly bollocks, because these foods are not exclusively eaten by vegans/vegetarians so they'll still almost certainly have lesser contribution to animal deaths,

My point was directed at the previous poster who was rolling out the old line of animals being murdered so meat-eaters have something to eat. Animals are killed in the production of many foods eaten by vegetarians and vegans also: a meat-free diet is not necessarily death-free. It's the hypocrisy of the "meat is murder" rhetoric that I have a problem with, not the desire to eat a diet free of meat or animal products.

most soy is grown to feed animals and also vegans/vegetarians tend to be much more aware about food provenance and impact than your average Joe.

Exactly. And as I earlier said, it's possible to eat meat from animals that are entirely pasture-fed and not supplemented by soy at all. Meat eaters who seek out organic, local, and non-intensively-farmed meat also tend to be much more aware about food provenance and impact than your average Joe.

Surely it's better for someone to make a significant effort to reduce their contribution to animal deaths as much as is equally possible? Or is perfect only good enough for you?

It depends on your priorities. My priority is broader environmental impact, which includes avoiding crops grown as monocultures (damaging biodiversity), grown with heavy pesticide use, shipped as air freight, packaged in plastic, and so on. It also includes avoiding meat that has any of the above in the food chain. Some of the lowest-impact diets in an environmental context involve meat from animals in the local area that are fed on pasture or forage; and/or wild fish and seafood caught in small quantities.

Your priority might be animals deaths in particular, which is your personal decision. It's neither better nor worse than mine as an ethical stance on food provenance, just different.

Never let perfect be the enemy of the good Grin

uniquehornsonly · 01/10/2017 09:42

scrowy I'm aware of the red tractor symbol, yes, but it's not enough for me so I don't buy products with it. Sorry Confused

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 01/10/2017 09:50

When I can afford to. we like meat and even cheaper cuts of organic meat are expensive when you are on a very tight budget

Butchers around here are expensive or halal not sure the halal meat is organic free range

TonicAndTonic · 01/10/2017 09:54

As a farmer can I ask if any of you deliberately look out for the Red Tractor logo as a sign of high welfare meat?

Yes I do, in supermarkets. I would also absolutely buy more free range meat if available in supermarkets, I do buy what they have and try to get red tractor for the rest. For me free range is more important than organic when it comes to meat.
I work full time and where I live farmers markets all seem to be weekday mornings and butchers all shut at 5, which is why it would be nice if there was a bigger selection of supermarket free range meat. I have also reduced my own meat consumption a bit, but DP isn't at all keen!

kingfishergreen · 01/10/2017 09:54

We always buy free range chicken - I presume that lamb and beef is pretty much always free range, we buy organic pork (as it's not labelled as free range, but we presume being organic, that the pig's standard of life was better).

Tesco's lack of free range chicken is one of my bugbears (we have a medium size Tesco near-by with a very limited free range selection).

We lost 2/3 of our income for six months a few years ago, we couldn't afford free range and organic meat, so we just stopped eating meat for that period and replaced it with biscuits.

kingfishergreen · 01/10/2017 09:55

I didn't know about the red tractor logo, I'll look out for that.

manglethedangle · 01/10/2017 09:55

I'm not sure how anyone thinks being predominantly veggie is cheaper than buying free range meat. I spent a fortune being veggie, meat is definitely not the most expensive bit of my diet.

We mainly eat free range or fish, but buy it in the reduced section and freeze.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 01/10/2017 10:03

Yes, ,but I can afford to, and we don't eat all that much meat anyway - not more than 3 times a week, if that, unless we've had a FR chicken, which does about 4 meals for the 2 of us.

GrannyHeadology · 01/10/2017 10:06

Yes, free France organic and local 90% of the time. Sometimes I buy non local if I have to nip to a shop but it will still be organic and free range. Most of it is fairly local from farm shops and farmers market though. We limit our meat eating as it is expensive and not great for the environment either

I also only eat sustainable fish, I'm very happy to hear I can have Cod again now!

Scrowy · 01/10/2017 10:13

From the Red Tractor website

What does our logo stand for?

The Red Tractor logo confirms that our independent assessors have checked food or drink meets our comprehensive standards, from farms to fork.

Our standards cover the following:

The Red Tractor logo is a mark of quality food you can trust.
We insist on rigorous production standards from farms to pack eg. we don’t allow growth hormones or antibiotic residues in your meat. Just good quality food at its seasonal best!
What does our logo stand for?

We know where all Red Tractor food and drink comes from.
Every stage of the journey is checked. Our systems ensure that all food can be traced right back to the original British farms.

Red Tractor farmers care about their animals.
We visit every farm and only skilled people are allowed to look after livestock. Our standards mean animals have suitable space, and the right food and water to ensure they’re healthy. Our vets only prescribe medicines when animals are ill.

Red Tractor farmers care about our countryside.
Their land is their office and their home so they want to look after it! Fertilisers and pesticides are used only when necessary to keep crops healthy and always in a manner that reduces the risk of pollution and impact on wildlife.

The Union Jack flag in the Red Tractor logo confirms your food has been born, grown, prepared and packed in the UK.
Every stage of the journey is checked. Our systems ensure that all food can be traced right back to the original British farms.

Scrowy · 01/10/2017 10:21

It's probably actually pretty difficult to buy beef or lamb that is produced in the UK that isn't free range by default.

Cows do get brought into sheds in the winter for welfare reasons( they usually still have access to outside space during this time, most still choose to stay inside Grin) but they spend all spring and summer outside.

Sheep are pretty much always outside, unless they come inside for lambing, illness or a specific reason like isolation from the rest of the flock.

Bornfreebutinbiscuits · 01/10/2017 10:30

Happy eggs were subject to expose recently... Not happy at all!

I buy the cotswolds one now whether they are treated any better I don't know.

No point in red tractor labels when two sisters are swapping all the chicken about and even if it was great chicken, once it'd passed its se by date and been smeared on a dirty floor, no amount of red label stickering is going to save it

yodelehoho · 01/10/2017 10:31

We eat a lot of vegetarian foods but when we do buy meat then it's organic or free range. Haven't eaten non organic chicken for about 20 years and hate that all the supermarkets are full of cheap chicken dishes. They are growing chicken so cheaply and horribly.

SleepOhHowIMissYou · 01/10/2017 10:32

Lasped vegetarian here. I buy free-range meat, not always organic. I do however, buy outdoor bred pork (know it's not same as outdoor reared).

You can get a free-range chicken from Aldi for about a fiver. The butcher's counter in Tesco used to sell them for £6 in my area. Free range chicken drumsticks are darker in colour due to muscle tone, often with purplish brown meat.

Waitrose pork and pork products (ready meals with ham, quiches etc) are outdoor bred as standard so 'essential' range bacon, sausages etc are as cheap as other supermarkets but with higher animal welfare than those with the Red Tracker mark.

Eating out I choose fish, lamb, beef or vegetarian options.

yodelehoho · 01/10/2017 10:34

We use Farmdrop a lot and their ethos is great.

www.facebook.com/FarmdropUK/

lettuceWrap · 01/10/2017 10:56

Why are you all buying prepared chicken breasts? The most expensive, and least tasty cut of the chicken! Admittedly I used to do the same Blush, but it's really easy to joint/portion up whole chickens and freeze what you don't want to use straight away. If you've not done to before there are tutorial videos on YouTube- you need a properly sharp knife.

An organic free range chicken is about £12-14 depending on size, that will joint up into two breasts fillets, 2 inner breast small fillets, 2 drumsticks, two thighs, two wings and a carcass for soup (if the giblets have been included, add those to the soup for extra flavour!).

My "menu" for a jointed chicken chicken would be something like roasted stuffed chicken breasts (cut the breast open, put in dates with walnuts, wrap in prosciutto or similar), bone the two thighs and cube, use for curry, roast the wings and drumstick and use to make a substantial salad. Inner breast fillets can be cooked and chopped up with rice and veg,and a handful of prawns for paella, a big pot of soup with the carcass (roast the carcass along with the drumsticks/wings, roast bones give a great flavour).

That's 5 substantial dishes for 2 from one organic chicken (well, the soup will make many portions). If I roast the chicken whole for Sunday dinner, It doesn't stretch so far but we'd get Sunday dinner and then soup at a minimum (uni age dc returning home at weekends can strip our fridge bare pretty fast!).

VileyRose · 01/10/2017 10:58

No

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