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Prison-themed bar to open in east London - AIBU?

51 replies

Pariswhenitdrizzles · 29/09/2017 14:27

AIBU to think setting up a prison-themed bar really isn't a good idea?

The idea behind the bar, which is Alcatraz-themed (and in east London, natch), is that customers dress up in orange jumpsuits to replicate the experience that Alcatraz prisoners may have had.

Customers are also asked to bring along their own alcohol, which will be made into cocktails for them at the bar. They'll also pay £30 just to stay there for 1 hour 45 minutes.
As well as being a rip-off, it really seems offensive.

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/sep/29/alcotraz-alcatraz-east-london-bar-san-francisco-jail

AIBU?

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sirbedevere · 29/09/2017 17:46

There is an actual prison restaurant (as in, run by prisoners) in Cardiff!

viques · 29/09/2017 17:50

£30 and you bring your own alcohol? blimey, I hope the cocktail umbrellas are handcrafted from organic parachute silk and encrusted with artisan diamonds.

RunningOutOfCharge · 29/09/2017 17:50

What about zombie apocalypse experiences?

Being chased by ‘dead’ people

smeerf · 29/09/2017 17:58

I'm going for a friend's birthday tomorrow - shall I report back? I expect it'll be cheesy as fuck but all this the faux offense and pearl clutching seems a bit ott.

Northernlass99 · 29/09/2017 18:06

Lucy Mangan wrote about this in stylist this week. She said when you take someone else's misery into account to buy yourself an edge you are failing to empathise. It is probably the brainchild of some rich young person who has never had to face the realities of prison or having someone they know or love in prison or the judicial system. It perpetuates the 'them' and 'us' divide. With the 'us' thinking its a fun experience to go to prison.

The restaurant run by prisoners is a great idea however as it is part of rehabilitation - as opposed to just thinking poverty/crime is trendy.

RunningOutOfCharge · 29/09/2017 18:11

London dungeons
Escape rooms
Halloween shenanigans
Peppa pig world

All someone’s misery at some point in time

SirRaymondLuxuryYacht · 29/09/2017 18:17

Will they all be off there heads on spice? It'll add to the ambience of real prison life. Oh and eating of greasy smelly plastic plates.

coddiwomple · 29/09/2017 18:29

do you mean head on spikes? I am pretty sure Health and Safety frowns upon having body parts laying around in a place serving food to the public. I am very curious however to know in which Western prison you have seen heads recently?

balsamicbarbara · 29/09/2017 18:32

Hmm I think you all protest too much or have you never been to a pirate themed restaurant, party or bar? You know those folks who murder and kidnap people even in the current day.

Ghostontoast · 29/09/2017 18:35

There used to be a bar in Portsmouth called the "Jalehouse" that had a prison theme ( j + ale geddit!) it was actually quite jolly with singalong music in a Friday night.

Amanduh · 29/09/2017 19:01

Why woukd you be offended by it... really? Hmm

Laiste · 29/09/2017 19:19

I could understand being offended by a 'potato famine' themed restaurant, or as pps have mentioned, fun attractions themed around murder victims ('juicy real life' crime books anyone?) but what's offensive about an alcatraz prison theme? Alcatraz inmates weren't helpless victims.

SirRaymondLuxuryYacht · 29/09/2017 19:34

Heads on spikes 😂 their heads I meant not there.

sparechange · 30/09/2017 08:08

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ForalltheSaints · 30/09/2017 08:27

Distasteful and I won't be going.

GunnyHighway · 30/09/2017 08:30

Who is it offensive to?

RonSwansonsMoustache · 30/09/2017 08:40

Why is it offensive?

titbumwillypoo · 30/09/2017 09:04

Do they have lock ins?

Crunchymum · 30/09/2017 09:11

It's way too 'try hard' for my tastes.

It's just a shit theme and even my younger self (I loved a new London bar) would have passed.

KC225 · 30/09/2017 09:13

Titanic. The London bar and grill that opened in the later 90s. How many people died. Themes have been pushing boundaries for years

Anasnake · 30/09/2017 09:14

There's a Titanic hotel in Liverpool too

scottishdiem · 30/09/2017 09:22

Oh for fucks sake. The hypocrisy in the UK of finding somethings offensive and not others is startling sometimes. People have way to many pearls to clutch in faux moral outrage.

Prison theme parties are a thing. Cops and Robber parties are a theme (I like the handcuff toss as a variance of the ring toss). We have themed hotels, museums and walking tours of death, destruction and murder.

Even in schools we teach the most sugar coated, sickly sweet versions of history, especially British history, and no-one bats an eye-lid.

Why is a pop-up prison bar such a bad thing?

DunedinGirl · 30/09/2017 09:41

It is a pretty lame theme for London...you'd think if they're going to do something along these lines they could at least come up with something that isn't just borrowed from U.S pop culture.

The thing that thoroughly grossed me out was the Death Row Diner. There's something utterly macabre and disrespectful about that on a number of levels.

DunedinGirl · 30/09/2017 09:41

It is a pretty lame theme for London...you'd think if they're going to do something along these lines they could at least come up with something that isn't just borrowed from U.S pop culture.

The thing that thoroughly grossed me out was the Death Row Diner. There's something utterly macabre and disrespectful about that on a number of levels.

smeerf · 01/10/2017 08:10

So I went to Alcotraz last night for a mate's birthday and as I'm not drinking at the moment, I'm in a good position to remember the experience 😂

Entry is timed, so you arrive and wait outside from 7 for a 7:15 start. When you're allowed in (4-6 at a time) you're greeted by two 'American' prison guards who bark orders at you, make a few digs at your appearance (the birthday boy was in fancy dress), chuck you an orange overall to put on and take the opportunity to find your contraband. But don't worry, the guards are in on it, and quickly explain that the person to hide your booze from is the Warden.

The warden gives you a little speech about the place in character and your group is taken through to your designated seats, either at the bar (which is decked out with plexiglass barriers and phones to mimic a visitors room) or the small cells, suitable for 4-5. One of us ended up seated on a toilet.

The bar team are dressed as prisoners, and come to your cell to grab your booze and take your order. We managed to get three rounds of drinks in the time we were there.

The actors come over and make chit chat, the Warden does a little bit chewing out one of the guards for drinking on duty, a guest from each cell is frogmarched off to 'solitary' which turns out to be a round of shots in a neighbouring room.

When your time is up, you're released ready for the next group.

So you have to really engage with the actors to get the most out of it, we were definitely not drunk enough as a group for this, although the hen do in the cell next door definitely were! Another group that seemed to really enjoy it were the Instagram couple at the bar, who did nothing but take photos of themselves all night (to be fair, I bet the photos looked fab as the decor is great).

As for the cost, we got entry, three cocktails each and table service for £30, so even when you factor in the cost of a bottle of booze, it's not that bad. The cocktails were all bespoke and the bar staff really great, my bf's not a fan of sickly drinks for example so all his were quite sharp tasting and exactly what he asked for.

Is the whole thing offensive? There were points at which I thought so. For example when the group were in 'solitary', the Warden was shouting and asking if they were being punished enough, and a few of us exchanged looks, it came across a bit sexual assaulty. Generally the most offensive bit was the American theme - the laboured accents and the weird stereotyping of Americans (one of the guards claimed to have 10 mouths to feed and 5 babymamas).

Generally our group's opinion was that it was something a bit different, abeit very very cheesy. The perception I've seen in various articles about Alcotraz is that it's very 'hipster' when in fact it's the opposite - think more like themed school disco night for hen and stag dos. Lets face it, Shoreditch is no longer very cool.

At the end of the night, one of our group summed up the experience by remarking that at least we'd managed to get a table for 2 hours in a Shoreditch bar on a Saturday night, which is not always a given.