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AIBU?

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AIBU to not expect my son to be exposed to so much shit at school?

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HadenoughnowFFS · 27/09/2017 21:52

Son is year 1.
Sick and tired of him coming home with swear words the other kids have taught him, terrorism facts the parents have allowed them to watch on the TV, hitting each other as they're allowed to at home - the list goes on.
Teacher thought it nice to create a dog and diary.
Dog comes home with you and in the diary you find something from the newspaper to stick in and write a little about.
Comes home and the previous kid has an entry about the ivory tusks of elephants being taken off and more elephants being killed to death than being born.
Surely the parent can't have deemed this appropriate for a 5 year old to write about? And the teacher has just ticked it so clearly she does.
Aibu?

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RavingRoo · 27/09/2017 21:57

In the nicest way...It’s called growing up. You really can’t avoid it, not even with homeschooling. Best thing to do is be there for him to provide more information as and when needed/wanted.

HadenoughnowFFS · 27/09/2017 21:58

At 5? Terrorism and elephant killing?

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Ginandplatonic · 27/09/2017 21:58

Obviously the hitting's not on and the teacher should be dealing with that. But the other things are just differences in parenting style, and you can't control that, you're just going to have to get used to it.

Personally I don't think 5 is too young to start learning about environmental issues like the ivory trade.

thejoysofboys · 27/09/2017 21:58

I think YANBU & YABU at the same time. I agree about the swearing (I was horrified when my 5 year old Y1 child came home knowing the F word), and I hate the playground fighting which seems to come from the kids that are allowed to watch WWE and similar.
However the world politics & environmental stuff I wouldn't be so worked up about. I think it's good for children to have some awareness about the world around them, provided they're given age appropriate information.

Hairyfairy01 · 27/09/2017 22:00

At 5 my ds would of written something like that, or about some natural disaster, mine collapse, plane crash, large fire etc. What’s wrong with that?

MaisyPops · 27/09/2017 22:00

Some things YABU others not. I don't think given your lists of issues you have much nice to say.

I find it very hard to believe that any member of staff thinks it is ok for children to swear. Unfortunately the reality for some children is that is how you interact. They need educating out of it. Your child hears it, tell him they are rude words that he isn't to use.
Same for violence. Though I would wonder how you know they are violent at home. And are we talking about a bit of physical contact at playtime or nasty attacks on others. Difficult to tell.

It is up to parents how they wish to approach world events with their children. It's not for you to judge them for it and be fed up that your child has heard about things.

Equally, maybe the child has sponsored an elephant so knows why they need protecting etc.

It's up to you to decide what you talk about at home. You are naive and unreasonable if you expect the world to not engage with any topic you deem too much.

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BarbarianMum · 27/09/2017 22:02

Teach your child not to repeat the swear words he hears. To tell you/a teacher if he's hit.

Other than that, yes YABU.

HadenoughnowFFS · 27/09/2017 22:03

The swearing and the fighting I'm completely aware I have no control over and neither do the teachers
But he does have control over allowing this silly book to do the rounds with some parent who hasn't decided what's age appropriate IMO to do the rounds of all the other kids!

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AuntLydia · 27/09/2017 22:04

Yeah, the swearing would have me clutching my pearls but I wouldn't assume kids are hitting because they're allowed at home. In my experience the freedom of the school yard - where they are less well supervised than at nursery - does lead to a bit of feral behaviour. Hopefully the school will deal with that and it will calm down.

In terms of the news articles - well, 5 year olds are all very different. You may well feel your 5 year old isn't mature enough to discuss these kinds of things with but other 5 year olds could be different. It's important to note too that not all 5 year olds are first borns - they could have older siblings who are talking about these things and asking their parents questions.

2ndSopranos · 27/09/2017 22:05

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Isadora2007 · 27/09/2017 22:06

did the book have photos of dead elephants from the newspaper? If so yanbu. If not, YABU. And a bit Of a snowflake parent.

Hairyfairy01 · 27/09/2017 22:08

Your opinion clearly isn’t that of most. You are being very pff about this and hopefully in a few years you will laugh at yourself.

eyebrowsonfleek · 27/09/2017 22:09

Unless the article contained a graphic photo, it’s perfectly normal for a 5 year old to be aware of animal deaths due to hunting or eating animal products.
Totally normal for a 5 year old to overhear scary news stories like terrorism or Ebola too.

DixieNormas · 27/09/2017 22:10

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HadenoughnowFFS · 27/09/2017 22:10

No but had a picture of a mother and baby elephant with it reading underneath : Elephants are being killed faster than they are being born
So pretty bloody upsetting for a just turned 5 year old

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MaisyPops · 27/09/2017 22:11

But he does have control over allowing this silly book to do the rounds with some parent who hasn't decided what's age appropriate IMO to do the rounds of all the other kids!
So it's a silly book when people talk about topics you don't like but probably wouldn't be silly if it was filled with the sort of wholesome topics you approve of.

Learning goes beyond the classroom. Part of learning to be a good learner involves learning about the world around you and some of that means learning that world isn't always rosy.
I often find children are interested in really deep philosophical things and engage with quite difficult topics in a way that is surprisingly insightful.

You seem like you're going to be the sort of parent who objects to puberty talks/sex ed/upsetting poetry etc in school. I may have you totally wrong but your posts srem to echo those people.

BewareOfDragons · 27/09/2017 22:11

Why shouldn't children know the harm that people are causing in the world, especially when it means animals are being killed for 'trophies'? Maybe they'll grow up knowing they want to stop it and never participate in such hideousness.

As for terrorism, sadly, it is here. And they are going to hear about it, hopefully in an age-appropriate way. Better for them to hear it from/with you so you can explain it in an age-appropriate way then bits and pieces from their friends, no? Plus, teachers may well bring it up using the school newspapers that many subscribe to, or watch the CBBC newsround stories.

Swearing is what it is. They'll hear it everywhere. You get to explain to them it's not appropriate for them and why, and you don't care if their friends talk like that at school. Yours won't.

BewareOfDragons · 27/09/2017 22:12

OH, and many museums now that children frequent have removed the ivory tusks from Rhinos and Elephants on display and have signs explaining why. They're not hiding it from children either, and I don't thnk they should.

MaisyPops · 27/09/2017 22:12

Better for them to hear it from/with you so you can explain it in an age-appropriate way then bits and pieces from their friends, no? Plus, teachers may well bring it up using the school newspapers that many subscribe to, or watch the CBBC newsround stories
Yes. Better to have the facts presented in an age appropriate way than via chinese whispers.
Often what they may imagine is much worse than the reality

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 27/09/2017 22:14

Hitting - need an eye on that
Terrorism - they probably have older siblings and it's on the TV and in their lives
And I salute that wee environmentalist elephant lover
Swearing / I stay mute -fucking potty mouthed that I am--

GrumpyMcGrumpFace · 27/09/2017 22:14

it could be a 5 yo with older siblings who are concerned about the ivory trade. TBH I don't have any problem with that at all.

You cannot protect them from knowledge. Some 5 yos know far more upsetting things, and I'd worry far more about them.

Barbie222 · 27/09/2017 22:15

Other parents! The bane of everyone's lives. And when you get that dog next put it in a hot wash straight away. I stopped mine going home with my class when two of my parents told me about getting bed bugs.