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Prof Green and poverty..Anyone watching?

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user1483390742 · 25/09/2017 22:54

How does a homeless mum of 3 have an iphone? I have 3 kids and work full time and i can't afford one! What does poverty really mean?

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ChesGuitarra21 · 26/09/2017 00:18

As others said, she could have been given it, could have it under contract and it cost more to leave the contract than to keep it going, or could have borrowed it. In fact a thousand other reasons, use your imagination OP.

It's very difficult to judge poverty on outward appearances. I used to volunteer with the citizens'advice bureau and we would have some people come in who drove brand new, leased cars, had smartphones etc - which they needed for work. These things were all on contract, paid monthly but the people would struggle with day to day expenses and in some cases be tens of thousands of pounds in debt. A lot of the time horrendous poverty is hidden behind external appearances and people too proud to admit or seek help.

The attitude displayed by the OP reminds me of that in 1930s before the welfare state, when the government officials would go round to people's houses to see what they had (i.e if they were the "deserving poor") and whether they could sell anything to relieve their poverty before the state would step in. Do we really want to go back to that?! Sad

Ducknose · 26/09/2017 00:20

Would it make you feel better if she didn't have an iPhone?
Jesus Christ.

CherryChasingDotMuncher · 26/09/2017 00:25

FFS.

She doesn’t have a home but you’re jealous of her mobile?

WTF is wrong with the world?

Broken11Girl · 26/09/2017 00:39
Biscuit
LurpakIstheOnlyButter · 26/09/2017 00:51

AIBU to think that we should fucking well stop bashing poor people for being poor?

The media actively encourage it. I am sick of it. Anyone can fall on hard times, some of these families are obviously loved and cared for yet still struggling. . Yes they may have a TV or An iPhone that is old or someone's hand me down. Does that mean they should be deprived of basic human rights to food, clothes and shelter?

I was really upset watching tonight. We have not moved on from the Victorian era and things are getting worse.

These are children. They could be your children.

I remember being a poor child and wondering if I would have a meal when I got home. I am so lucky now, my kids are fed and loved and warm, with a safe place to sleep. They don't have to worry.

Those of us who don't have to worry should be thinking about those who do and lobbying parliament and the media for a change of attitude and supporting these people

PebblesFlintstone · 26/09/2017 00:58

You watch a show about poverty and the only thing you can make comment on is a woman with an iphone?

^^This

Out2pasture · 26/09/2017 01:16

lots to think about after listening to the show....the iPhone was not one of them.

custardcreamplease · 26/09/2017 07:18

One of my friends was really skint, our other friend gave her her old phone after upgrading. She needed it for job applications tbh, there was a local library with computers, but everyone else was doing the same - using them for necessary stuff because they didn't have their own Internet access at home - so it was hard to get on one, and opening hours were sporadic.
Plus the phone meant she could keep in touch with friends and family instead of sliding into depression, and she could buy necessary items online for half the price, instead of being limited to overpriced local shops.

Actually, the more I think about it, that phone was a lifesaver. Let's not forget that a smartphone isn't just built for entertainment, it's an extremely powerful and useful tool.

Also often poverty isn't about the actual money people earn, it's when and how they earn it. If you work zero hours on a temporary contract, your hourly rate may well be a few quid over NMW, but it's a nightmare for budgeting and saving. Then the minute you get some savings behind you to tide you over the weeks you don't get enough hours, either your car dies or your temp contract ends and you have to look for something new.

That's before you get on to the Dickensian hell that is private renting

It's horrible. So many jobs have been ruined by this. The insecurity and anxiety it breeds is terrible.

malificent7 · 26/09/2017 07:19

I didnt even see the iphone.
Like Professor Green said...i am ashamed we have poverty like this...i should know.. .i have 40 pounds left for 2 months.

LakieLady · 26/09/2017 07:34

Most of my clients are in poverty. I find it heartening that people on here realise it's not a lifestyle choice, so many people don't.

If my BIL says once more that they should "just get a job", I may have to kill him.

Voiceforreason · 26/09/2017 07:38

The decline in social or council housing has brought this about. Too many families are having to rely on renting in the private sector with all it's pitfalls. Selling off of council houses was all well and good but why oh why wasn't the money ploughed straight back into building more housing?

MargaretTwatyer · 26/09/2017 07:40

Unfortunately you need kit to be poor. All the forms/admin you have to do for housing and benefits is online.

SpringBreak · 26/09/2017 07:44

One of the things that struck me massively after the Grenfell fire was how desperately those people needed smartphones and that carpho e warehouse whose HW is very close to the tower should donate (they did)
When you have no computer, landline, office facilities to use and you noto make job applications, deal with benefits and housing, a smartphone is pretty much an essential. And please don't give me bollocks about public libraries as if they're anything like ours, you can only need a computer Tuesday, Thursday, Friday between 10-5 and Saturday 10-1

Bubblebubblepop · 26/09/2017 07:47

I don't understand why people think those in poverty should be brilliant financial planners. They misallocate and over spend, and make poor financial decisions like the rest of us.

Maybe she bought it when she came into some cash. Maybe she's got into debt to get it and pays back monthly. Maybe it's nicked and she bought it down the pub. Who knows?

Why wouldn't she want an iPhone like the rest of us

ManicUnicorn · 26/09/2017 07:52

Op are you one of those people who moan about unemployed people having 'flat screen TV's' by any chance? conveniently forgetting that all TV's are flat screen these days. Maybe stop lapping up everything you read in the Daily Mail?

sukitea · 26/09/2017 07:57

People are also stereotyping every person who is in poverty. Some people make very bad choices which has led to their situation and when given help they continue to do so. They are often the ones who like to plead poverty the most. I see this through work and it makes me very cross that the children will never have a decent stab at life due to their parents fecklessness.

megletthesecond · 26/09/2017 08:03

Almost every essential service has on line access. She'll need it for that. As well as (horror) keeping in touch with friends and family.

Zoll · 26/09/2017 08:07

You can get a job as a home carer without a car if you are prepared to walk, and without a home if you can use a friend's address, but you can't get one without a smartphone. They are required by nearly all zero-hour employers and provided by basically none.

makeourfuture · 26/09/2017 08:26

Do the companies making these phones pay taxes? Build them in sweatshops?

CloudPerson · 26/09/2017 08:35

Up until recently I have never bought a phone, I was given an end of contract iPhone which I managed to find a pay monthly contract with texts, calls and 3G, for less than £10 a month.

People like judging those who are worse off, I think it's a defence mechanism, you can't possibly be in that position because you'd never be so careless. Same with disabilities.
It's uncomfortable to think that anyone (apart from those wealthy enough to be insured up to the eyeballs) could end up in a very vulnerable position very quickly if their circumstances changed, and to think that any one of us is one accident or illness away from being disabled. So instead it's assumed that they're all a bunch of scroungers that we could never be like.

makeourfuture · 26/09/2017 08:45

People like judging those who are worse off, I think it's a defence mechanism

Yes.

donajimena · 26/09/2017 08:46

When I was piss poor I didn't have internet or TV. This was because I was cut off not because I was economising. It was a living hell and it was the first thing I had reconnected when I was in better circumstances. Everything is online these days. Staff pick up shifts via a whatsapp group where I work. My university work is all online.

donajimena · 26/09/2017 08:47

I do have nice TV. My brother bought it for me! I managed to hang on to that so at least we could watch DVDs

tygr · 26/09/2017 09:07

When I was unemployed and on benefits I did online surveys in return for Amazon vouchers. I managed to save up enough to get a 40" flat screen TV through their open box warehouse deals section for only £14 of actual new money that I had to spend.

Don't feed the troll. The OP I mean.

No need to justify to you. Just try living on what they're living on and see how long you last.

IveGotBillsTheyreMultiplying · 26/09/2017 10:48

I just watched this excellent programme because of the OP.

It's heartbreaking how hopeless the families feel.

When UC is rolled out things are going to get worse on an epic scale as more and more families will be evicted.

The system doesn't even make sense financially (if you are an uncaring tax payer) as homelessness and the long term effects of such instability are expensive to the state.

How anyone could watch that programme and find an iPhone the main issue baffles me. Shocking.SadSad

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