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AIBU to not want to pay for religious sports coaching

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spudfield · 25/09/2017 20:12

background: I live in NI. The majority of schools here are 'catholic' or 'protestant'. Secular (integrated) schools are much rarer and one doesn't exist in my area.

The (rural) primary school my kids are at is pretty religious. Much more so than my (suburban) primary growing up. An example would be that last year when I enquired if the school disco at the end of October was fancy dress, I was sternly informed that Halloween is a 'Taboo Festival' and it was an 'end of term' disco.

I am an atheist, DH is more agnostic. I accept that there will always be an element of religion at primary school, religious assemblies, church services at certain times of year, etc. It was the same when I was a kid and well, it's normal here. I don't mind this, I attend where necessary and support the children - the kids seem to enjoy it and I say nothing about my own feelings on religion. The odd thing raises an eyebrow, such as bringing home a book on the life of Martin Luther as an end of term present (from a religious organisation similar to the one below) but on the whole I roll with it.

My child came home from school a few days ago with a letter in the book bag, stating that from now until the end of the year child is to wear sportswear rather than uniform to school one day a week, as a religious organisation will be coaching them in a sports activity on a weekly basis (during normal school hours). The letter goes on that the organisation performs this service for free, but a voluntary donation of 50p/week (£17.50 for the year) is requested to support the organisation's work.

I looked up the organisation online and the focus appears to be very much on spreading the gospel, rather than the sporting activity.

AIBU to not want to financially support this organisation? I didn't send 50p last week (more because i forgot, rather than a deliberate action) and received a 'reminder note' to please send in the 50p. I don't want my child to be treated differently just because I/we don't agree with this practice, but teachers would definitely judge us. DH is swinging more towards paying just to stay below the radar. It's the kind of community that frowns at you if you mow the lawn on a Sunday. But paying for this unwanted extra-curricular activity really sticks in my throat. Not the sport, that would be fine and I would pay (and have paid, actually, last year, for coaches from the sport's own governing body to take classes). AIBU?

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WaxOnFeckOff · 25/09/2017 22:02

Quite frankly spreading the gospel under the guise of sporting activities to young and impressionable children of unsuspecting parents is a bit sinister.

I agree totally, and Christians seem to be particularly guilty of this because it's good old christianity innit? Who could possibly object? Christianity is assumed if you aren't overtly Muslim/sikh/hindu etc.

Userwhocouldntthinkofagoodname · 26/09/2017 13:33

If it was England it would be a no brainer but NI is hard core very different. Your either a Protestant atheist or a Catholic atheist and if you dont chose which side your on it will be chosen for you. Best just, hold your nose, pay the money and keep you head down.

EvilDoctorBallerinaDuckKeidis · 26/09/2017 13:36

In England you can opt out of anything religious. Can you in NI?

grendel · 26/09/2017 13:39

@ferrier "You need dbs clearance in UK for all contact with children, whether 1-2-1 or not."

That is actually not true. The circumstances in which a DBS check is required are set out in legislation and are quite strict about when they are and are not required. If someone will never be 1 to 1 with a child (in the context of a setting such as an after-school club or a sports club) then a DBS check is not required.

Yokohamajojo · 26/09/2017 13:54

Wow their website....Shock

spudfield · 26/09/2017 14:09

Just to clarify, I don't wish to opt my DC out of the activitiy - the child wouldn't understand (they are only 6) and I don't want them to be treated differently by their teachers/peers just because of my own beliefs (which I keep to myself, except on here!) The child is registered with the school as not belonging to any religion (or rather "other - not applicable" as no religion is not an option on the form... See that's what you're dealing with here!) However I would never seek to remove them from any activity on those grounds. As things stand my DCs enjoy participating in the religious activities the school promotes, as what kid that age doesn't enjoy singing and stories and being given sweets for showing an interest Hmm. Removing them just to make a point would probably do more harm than good to the child.
My reluctance is focused on whether I should pay the "voluntary donation" that I'm currently being put under pressure to do, thus giving financial support to this organisation. I know it's churlish not to want to and we probably will end up coughing up but I just need to vent some spleen particularly as I cannot talk to anyone locally about my annoyance!

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Userwhocouldntthinkofagoodname · 26/09/2017 14:38

on whether I should pay the "voluntary donation"

It is called 'voluntary' for legal reasons, but for a religious 'activity' in a religious school in N.Ireland the local culture is that it is considered compulsory, unless you are so poor you can't afford 50p/week.

If you don't pay it the school and teachers will wonder why you are not helping support the churches activities. It will eventually get out, you could get labeled as not being of the right religion and get pressured into moving to a school of the other religion.

Its not worth the risk.

spudfield · 26/09/2017 15:03

userwho you have made a couple of excellent points there, thankyou.

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Belindaboom · 26/09/2017 18:31

Is it really that bad user and spud?

EyesAsClearAsCenturies · 26/09/2017 18:35

Blimey. That sounds like something out of the 16th century userwho

I would have said you were not BU, OP, but I know nothing about Northern Ireland so listen to the folks who know. Shocking though. Makes you realise how secular England is. And hurrah for that!

WaxOnFeckOff · 26/09/2017 18:51

The ideal scenario then OP is to pay but with fake coins :)

It sounds an awful set of circumstances - I don't know how you manage to deal with the brainwashing shite.

VenusOfWillendorf · 26/09/2017 19:31

Ideally you should go in and talk to the school, explain your views and that you're happy to support any school activites but not religious organisations. Particularly if your DC is only 6 and you have years of this to come. But I know nothing about the situation in NI, and I certainly wouldnt risk my childs education if that is a real possibility.

Expemsiveuniform · 26/09/2017 21:26

It really is that bad.

Expemsiveuniform · 26/09/2017 21:26

And they aren't the worst. Tharp famo,y anyone....

Iamahppy · 26/09/2017 22:06

I think the problem here in ni is everyone just assumes that you are religious unless you express explicitly otherwise and most people are afraid too in fear of a backlash/discrimination!

When I asked to have my ds removed from assembly and RS the teacher was genuinely astonished and let this slip out "but you aren't ....." what she meant was we were white and therefore she couldn't fathom if we weren't Muslim why on earth we would want this ! Another teacher practically whispered " he will have to sit with the Muslim children" in that hushed horror voice :) that being the only 2 non-white children in the entire school !

It's a different universe here:(

spudfield · 26/09/2017 22:06

lol Expemsive I won a cassette tape of their music from the tharp family in the 80s when they visited my school. I was chuffed to bits at the time! And I still remember one of the songs, it went "I love Jesus better than ice cream..."

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kalinkafoxtrot45 · 26/09/2017 22:12

The Tharp Family visited my school too! The songs were awful, as was Papa Marty's hair. Some of the girls fancied Tony though.

But back to OP: not a good situation, I'd tend to play it by ear.

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