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To wonder if the Prme Minister's speech today appeased anyone?

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Bearbehind · 22/09/2017 19:37

From what I can see Theresa May's speech today only served to highlight how far away we are from knowing what Brexit will look like.

Remainers must be annoyed that she doesn't appear to have realised we're 6 months into our 2 year deadline and is still trying to rally the troops and is still spouting out hyperbole and rhetoric with no inkling of an actual plan.

Leavers must be annoyed that she admitted there's no way in hell we can manage without a 2 year transition period on account if the fact we've not got anything in place to deal with the implications of leaving.

Where is the light at the end of this tunnel?

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MrsDustyBusty · 22/09/2017 21:38

They cannot think outside the box, and they need to start doing so.

They really, really don't. This is where brexiters make their big mistake. The EU holds all the cards here and doesn't have to come up with anything at all.

As for trade, if the EU introduce tariffs, then so should we. None exist at present; their choice to impose them.

You don't have to be stupid to be in favour of brexit.

Oh.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/09/2017 22:06

Turkey or Canada deals are nowhere near what the UK wants, to avoid an economic recession

Their economies are very different to the Uk, not so massively dependent on services.

Their manufacturing industry is not dependent on just-in-time components from the EU

They don't import 40% of their food

Canada isn't dependent on the EU for all its trade deals with the rest of the world:

As well as all the full FTAs, the EU has 953 bilateral agreements
e.g. MRAs (Mutual Recognition Agreements) and is party to 267 multilateral agreements.

The Uk loses all of these in the event of a WTO Brexit.

Canada is not dependent on participation in the Open Skies agreement for all their civil international flights to anywhere.

Or dependent on Euratom for supplies of their nuclear fuel and nuclear medicine

WTO rules make equal treatment mandatory in the absence of a trade deal:

The UK cannot impose tariffs or non-tariff barriers on the EU without also imposing the same to all WTO members with whom it doesn't have a trade deal, i.e. everyone

The EU must impose the same tariffs or non-tariff barriers on the UK as it does to all WTO members with whom it doesn't have a trade deal, e.g. like N Korea
Those countries who do have an existing EU trade deal would demand the same cake deal as the UK, if the unicorn brought cake once .....

BigChocFrenzy · 22/09/2017 22:09

Typo: "Canada is not dependent on EU participation in the Open Skies agreement " - it has its own membership

scaryteacher · 22/09/2017 22:36

MrsDustyBusty What makes you think the EU holds all the cards? They want our money to ensure there isn't a hole in the current spending round which runs to 2020; we'd like our money in the EIB back, the money for the new monstrosity on Wetstraat that we've contributed to refunded. They want access to the intelligence we gather; that's a card we hold right there, especially at present.

Bearbehind · 22/09/2017 22:39

they want access to the intelligence we gather; that's a card we hold right there, especially at present

And it's exactly that kind of arrogance that will ensure we are well and truly screwed over.

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Bearbehind · 22/09/2017 22:43

That comment has really pissed me off.

If we are not the country in the EU which has had the most terror attacks recently we are in the top 2 or 3.

On what fucking planet do you think we either hold the cards on security or that they are cards we should even be playing?

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Userwhocouldntthinkofagoodname · 22/09/2017 22:53

On what fucking planet do you think we either hold the cards on security or that they are cards we should even be playing?

Get pissed off about it if you want, doesn't stop it being true.

MrsDustyBusty · 23/09/2017 07:19

they want access to the intelligence we gather; that's a card we hold right there, especially at present

Wow, that is genuinely dreadful. What a shocking idea.

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