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Was I wrong?

21 replies

coolaschmoola · 15/09/2017 01:10

My friend, who I like very much, is suffering from depression which has led to anxiety, panic attacks and a steady stream of negative comments about everything. I appreciate that this is part of her illness, and have experienced it myself in the past.

Normally I would listen and support her, and I have been, on a daily basis, for over two weeks, but tonight the constant negativity just affected me so much that I told her that I love her, appreciate that she is struggling, but that I can't take the negativity and needed to take a step back (another friend is also supporting her and was involved in this conversation so I wasn't just abandoning her with no one).

I felt I had to do this because I am really struggling. My fabulous mum, who I utterly adored, died five weeks ago. I am doing my best to push on through the most painful and difficult thing I've ever gone through, whilst still trying to be a good friend, but I couldn't cope with any more negativity. I'm barely keeping my head above water as it is.

I tried to phrase it kindly, said that I loved her and would normally do anything for her, but at the moment I was struggling to keep myself going following my mum's death so I was stepping back from the conversation because I was concerned about the impact it was having on my ability to keep going. I didn't intend to hurt anyone, but I need to be kind to myself at the moment.

I know that depression is a selfish illness, and I know that she's really struggling, but her response shocked me.

'I suppose I'll just stop talking then.' in a really off tone.

No acknowledgement of me, or appreciation that I'm struggling. Just the impression that I've done something really out of order by putting my own wellbeing first for once.

I've ended up in tears. Was I being unreasonable? I don't think so, but my friend clearly thinks I am.

OP posts:
gobster · 15/09/2017 01:14

No

Her mental health does not trump yours. You are in the early stages of grieving and should be allowed to without the burden of someone else's mental burden

gobster · 15/09/2017 01:15

Also Flowers so sorry to hear you've lost your mum

coolaschmoola · 15/09/2017 01:16

Thanks Gobster.

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krustykittens · 15/09/2017 01:17

I don't think either of you are wrong. You said it yourself, depression is a selfish illness. You need to take a step back to protect your own mental health and she wants you to help her. Neither of you are in a good state to help each other at the moment. Two drowning people cannot hold onto each other and hope for a good outcome. But this too shall pass - you will both be in a better place soon and can look back on this exchange with a different perspective. if you are good friends, your friendship will survive this. Please don't take any part of this post as being unsympathetic or callous, I suffer from depression myself. x

CommanderDaisy · 15/09/2017 01:17

I don't think you are.
I've had friends I had to step away from because I felt I was being drowned in their constant negativity and it was affecting me greatly. It's like sometimes in your life you have a limited about you can give to other people and that is okay. Especially in your circumstances.
It sounds like you tried to be as empathetic in your response as you could be, and it was far better to be honest than start to avoid her.

gobster · 15/09/2017 01:19

I think Krusty has explained that far better than me 😃

Hugs4Everyone · 15/09/2017 01:23

No you were not being even a teeny tiny bit unreasonable. It sounds like you were as considerate as you could be. It sounds like you are normally a very kind person. I don't have an other difficult things going in my life but I would still,find it difficult to listen to someone constantly being negative. I'd want to be supportive but I would want to look after myself too. I think that's ok.

I really hope you already knew that you were not being unreasonable and that you just wanted a little reassurance IYSWIM

I'm sorry about your Mum. 💐

Aquamarine1029 · 15/09/2017 01:30

I'm so sorry about your mum. Your friend needs a therapist, and you are not a therapist. You have nothing to feel poorly about. Actually, you are a very strong, wise person for knowing you need to protect your own mental well-being.

Justaboy · 15/09/2017 01:37

No, your not being unreasonable at all and i hope you too feel better 'ere long:)

Ellie56 · 15/09/2017 01:39

So sorry to hear about your mum. I know how you feel. I lost my darling mum over 4 years ago and I still miss her.

You weren't unreasonable.You only have so much emotional energy and at the moment it is focused on dealing with your grief. Do you have people you can talk to in RL? (apart from the depressed friend that is).

Be kind to yourself .Take care.
Flowers

MrLovebucket · 15/09/2017 01:45

YANBU

So very sorry to hear you've lost your Mum Flowers

Your friend can't see the wood for the trees at the moment but that doesn't mean you have to be her emotional support at such a difficult time for you.

WombOfOnesOwn · 15/09/2017 01:55

I've had "friends" like these. They're happy to take support, but god help you if you need any yourself. They want you to be a free mental health counselor, while ignoring everything about your life.

Depression isn't a pass to be narcissistic. I often find these supposedly "depressed" people have more in common with the symptoms of something called "Covert Narcissism." Look it up and see what you think.

bigbluedustbin · 15/09/2017 02:01

I can see her side, too. While she should understand that you are also struggling, depression is something that often leads to people losing all of their friends at a time when they need their friends the most. In the past, my depression lead to everyone I was close to needing 'a break from me', which ended up being permanent as they never came back. I felt like I was worth nothing and that I would never talk to anyone about depression again. So I completely understand your friend's reaction. Even though it was selfish of her, hearing someone you care about tell you that they need a break from you at a time where you already feel like you are a horrible worthless person is one of the hardest things to hear.

MaMisled · 15/09/2017 02:56

So sorry you lost your Mum.

I read this with great interest. I had a very similar friend and, like you, had known what it was like to be depressed, anxious and on medication and under specialist care.

I was her friend through 15 years of her sinking lower and lower despite having my own major traumas (2 x surgeries, a brush with anorexia, death of my DM and DMIL, divorce, remarry ing and having 7 DC to care for and more)

Her family live abroad and I felt I was all she had. I gave her so much time and energy, almost 3 hrs every single day for all those years!

I suddenly couldn't take it any more but cowardly withdrew gently and slowly.

I feel so much better in myself and my family are so pleased, saying I'm definitely brighter.

Better still, my friend quickly found a network of new friends and is positively thriving. I think I fuelled her fire by being too supportive, too indulging. I enabled her to stay in her big warm blanket of unhappiness. She's soooooo happy and positive now!

Abbylee · 15/09/2017 03:19

I agree with Aquamarine.

I sometimes hog conversations but hope that my friends interrupt me if they are struggling.

I cried every day for a year when my mother died. You are strong, kind and deserve kindness and love.

She doesn't deserve to be your friend.

coolaschmoola · 15/09/2017 19:51

Thank you for your replies and kind words. I do have other friends who are supportive, but the one person I want to talk to is my mum. I miss her so, so much.

My friend hasn't spoken to me all day. I've stopped thinking that I've done something wrong, but I'm upset that after all the support I have willingly given there isn't even a crumb for me at the worst of times.

I guess I'm reevaluating things.

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Allthebestnamesareused · 15/09/2017 19:54

I have previously suffered from the deepest darkest depression but at no time would I have responded to you in that way after your explanation. Hugs to you x

Ellie56 · 15/09/2017 20:17

but the one person I want to talk to is my mum.

I know. It's so hard. But it won't always feel as bad as this. Flowers

Birdsgottafly · 15/09/2017 20:18

I would have counteracted with "or you could work on being more positive". As harsh as that sounds, it has done me a favour when at my lowest, when I have been pulled up. Otherwise you just sink lower and lower with no realisation.

As said, her MH doesn't trump yours.

I've had to tell my DD that some discussions are off limit. I'm not concerning myself with any stresses or negativity around certain subjects.

We all have the right to protect ourselves.

aaaaargghhhhelpme · 15/09/2017 20:23

Oh I'm so sorry for your loss Flowers

I think you're doing the right thing. You need to look after yourself too. other pp have phrased it way better than I could. Take care of yourself Flowers

PollyFlint · 15/09/2017 20:54

YANBU at all.

I suffer from clinical depression, and for me, talking about how miserable I am to other people (apart from my doctors and therapists) is absolutely the LAST thing I want to do when I'm depressed. As a depressive, your friend's behaviour is quite honestly really alien to me - everyone is different of course, and I don't lack sympathy for her at all, we all have our own coping mechanisms. But for me personally, what your friend has been doing would simply have made me much worse and would certainly not have been part of my illness. I absolutely HATED talking about my depression and HATED being negative in the company of other people; the thought of dragging other people down was one of my biggest fears. So I would have struggled to cope with someone like your friend too.

Also, regardless of your friend's illness, she should still absolutely understand that you are recently bereaved and will be struggling. If she doesn't ... I don't think that's actually part of her illness, if I'm being entirely honest. She might not be in a place where she can offer much help or advice, and she just find it all too difficult in the same way that you're finding it difficult dealing with her issues ... but she should still, at least, understand why you need to take a step back.

I'm really not explaining or expressing myself very well here at all, and this is a very complicated issue - I'm not having a go at your friend as she's clearly not in a good place. But basically just please do believe me when I say YANBU at all. Two people who are both hurting are not necessarily a good match and you are very much doing the right thing here.

I'm so sorry to hear about your mum. Five weeks is not a long time at all; it must all still be incredibly raw for you. Take care of yourself and I promise you will get through these most painful weeks. Have you got other people around who can give you some support? Other friends, family?

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