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VV long.... Was IBU to have broken it off? AIBU to keep it broken?

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JParkson · 13/09/2017 20:34

I think this is going to be a long one so I apologise in advance. I don't want to drip feed so please bear with me.

I'm also aware this story could very well out me but I suppose I'm looking for reassurance or guidance as to whether I've done the right thing.

2.5y ago I got away from a marriage that was emotionally damaging to both me and my son. I also have 2 DDs but their dad worships them so to date they seem to be ok. DS works hard to maintain contact with his dad (same dad) so although it's sometimes rocky and I want to go Mamma Bear, he calls the shots on his relationship with his dad.

Since leaving exH, I met someone who was the complete opposite in temperament and character... playful, up for a laugh, attentive in bed, and once he met the kids, doted on them.

He was supportive when things got tricky with exH and would try and spoil me rotten.

I struggled with this attention, but he kept steady and supportive. Giving me space when I needed it and showing his loving side where possible.

We I had a couple of wobbles where our relationship felt wrong, and we split up twice but we were always drawn back to each other.

The last time this happened was around October last year. We'd been getting steadily stronger but we weren't yet living together. He lived with his parents but would spend part of the week with me, and every other weekend. The other weekends he'd have his boys.

I wasn't sure about living with him, mostly due to financial reasons as he was paying off debts and also paid maintenance for his 2 boys. When I crunched the numbers, although he has a great job, we would struggle to make ends meet. We were comfortable as we were, he lived with his parents, and we seemed happy.

There were a couple of bones of contention on his side - he disliked my friendship with a single man. When I first met DP I would socialise regularly with my only male friend (let's call him MF) but I cut it down as you do when you're in a new relationship. I refused to stop spending time with him completely though, as I've known MF for over 10 years. But once a month or less, when DP was at his parents, MF and I socialised either by playing cards, watching a movie or going to the pub. DP made it clear he disapproved. When I first met DP we both were open about previous relationships and such. I told him I once had a crush on MF but that it'd never happen. MF is so very not suited to me! (It goes deeper than just that but I think that's enough for here and now). He also disliked me messaging MF so I stopped doing that to keep the peace.

More recently he got jealous of how much time I spend on my phone. FB, mumsnet, random crap really. At the time I didn't think much about it but now I realise I'd developed a bad habit, probably out of boredom.

DP was getting gradually grumpier and grumpier. He was less happy, grumbled about the state of the house and food that was cooked, started drinking Red Bull (he broke an addiction to this before I met him, and swore he'd never drink it again), and was generally a moody sod. No spark, very little laughter, all our little things we did fizzled out, like tickle fights, text stories to each other, and even physical contact was gradually being withdrawn. His mood was starting to affect me. I picked up on it and we discussed why.

Earlier this year his ex stopped contact with his boys following 2 minor household accidents 2 weekends running. And I mean, minor. I can't say what happened here but we sought legal guidance and support. It was slow moving but he kept up hope that he'd get access to his boys back.

Fast forward to beginning of August and DP and I went away on holiday together, just me and him. I loved it but DP was overly quiet and in the end i called him oit on it. We ended up having a bit of an argument, he blamed not seeing his boys, and i offered even more support to fight for them. Helping him write chasinv emails, and also dealing with phonecalls from the CSA....! Yep! The bloody CSA phoned him whilst we were on holiday and upped his ex's award! We sorted it out, and i tried to cheer him up as best I could.

The next day he ended up poorly. I took him to get medication, organised what he should be taking when, and ended up applying cool wet towels to him when he had a bad fever at 5am, in 40° ish heat. We got him sorted, and he appeared to be enjoying himself albeit in a quieter mood and poorer appetite than the last time we went away together.

When we got back, bearing in mind that I'd spent almost 2 weeks solid with DP, and hadn't seen my friend for over 6 weeks due to holidays and such, I agreed to meet MF on a particular evening.

DP declared that morning that he was coming back to mine and we were going out. I said no, as I had made other plans. DP was adamant he'd laid claim on that evening first but I couldn't remember him specifically saying so or messaging me. Granted it was an evening he'd normally come over but as everything had been so higgledy piggledy for the previous 2 days, I thought we had left it that he'd be back the evening after which was his birthday.

I cancelled meeting MF, then DP decided to sulk and not come over. I then didn't see him until the evening of his birthday.

I tried to make it special, bought extra presents from my kids for him, as well as giving his main present from me.

He seemed molified and we had a pleasant evening.

Also when we got back, I'd had a Section 21 notice shoved though my door.... eviction. It got overturned due to discrepancies with the deposit but that was sorted and re-issued. I started looking for somewhere else to live.

I love where I live but cannot afford it. DP pointed out that I should move back to the local main town, or even better closer to him as it was cheaper. I baulked at close to him as commute for work/upheaval for the kids wasn't worth the hastle. DS started y10 this year so I was keen to keep disruption to a minimum. I started looking around at houses but he got grumpy as I wasn't including him in the searches and viewings. I wasn't taking into consideration his needs and wishes.

Um hello? I have 3 children to care for, not 4. Yes a garage for your gym would be nice but it's not always possible.

I had strict criteria on location budget and size, but had to cave on something.

He got very sulky and pushy to move in with us. I held my ground, showed the reason why (predominantly financial but also something didn't feel right) and he grumped even more. Eventually he accepted that finances were the main reason and wheedled his way along to the next viewing I'd booked at the end of the following week. (Didn't get that house btw)

The week went by and by the end of it we were fighting again. Again I rallied him round, pushed for what was wrong, but he kept saying his boys, my MF and my phone addiction.

By the middle of the following week I removed from my bed in my own house as he was very much not his usual gentle attentive self.

We spent our usual days apart and on Thursday evening we seemed to be communicating more like we used to. DS also messaged him and asked him not to leave us as he was picking up on the tension between us. DP reassured him he wasn't going anywhere, that he'd been stupid as he wasn't talking to me and was bottling up. He said he appreciated me and would be speaking to me to build us back up (words to that effect anyway).

On the Friday DP came back as per usual and seemed a bit happier.

At 6ish pm I got a message on FB from someone I'd never met, asking if I was in a relationship with him.

She told me they'd been messaging each other for weeks, including when on holiday.

DP saw the message. Packed his bags.

Whilst he was doing that I put my DDs to bed and quizzed the OW more. She was mortified and apologetic. We hoped it wasn't the same man.

It was. I saw the messages. A picture was sent to her which he also sent to me on Thursday.

Yep. On Thursday. When DS was asking him not to go, and I was trying to cheer him up and engage with him over text, he was busy planning to meet the OW and get deep down and kinky.

It was clear he wanted more than he would get from me - we'd talked about boundaries when we first got together and I'd made it clear what I would and wouldn't do. He appeared to accept it. We also talked about what would make or break a relationship. He said he'd tolerate pretty much anything except an affair. Rich, huh?

Now I know he did actually want more.

I kicked him out - he resisted saying we could work through it and come back stronger.

I was very very upset by now, in pain and wanting space. He eventually left when I said this. I insisted he took all his crap with him.

He messaged me the next day and said that yes he'd made a mistake - in his eyes it was ok as he hadn't actually met her and done anything. And that it was my fault because of my friendship and my phone addiction.

I flipped and told him to eff off.

He got pushy about maintaining contact. I said to stick it where the sun didn't shine.

He said he loved me and no-one else. Promptly followed up by further declarations of my fault.

He wrote a beautiful letter, again addressing my faults, but then quoting Bible verses at me (I'm a practicing Christian) and reminding me of our good times, our first date, what I loved about him, and other sentimental stuff that had successfully helped us keep going in the past.

I almost caved, wanting to gain acknowledgments from him of my recognition of my faults and failings and how I came up with ways to compromise (only meeting MF in the pub, blanket ban on phones in the house so we focus on more beneficial and interactive activities)

But even after this, he continued to bring them up in subsequent messages, and seemed to duck out on his own indiscretions. The drinking, poor attitude, and of course, shopping for an OW.

Even then I was wavering.

I had a chat with someone neutral, and had it pointed out to me to remember the whole boundary setting when we first got together. How he'd been quietly pushing them as the relationship developed. She warned me to be careful about this. It sealed the deal for me.

I told him it was over. That he wanted more from a relationship than I could ever give him. I said I didn't doubt that he loved me. Or at least the package deal I came with - house, family, food on the table, body in the bed.

But I also picked up on his continued reference to my so called faults. I said to tread carefully as he was borderline emotionally abusive if that continued.

I'd broken away from a marriage where both mine and DS's faults were dragged up over and over again.

I wouldn't put either of us through that again.

That did it. He went deathly quiet on me.

That was 3 weeks ago.

Since then we've been in contact to discuss sensible stuff such as closing a joint membership for something. Also we've met once so I could give him back stuff he missed when he left, which was too bulky to post.

When we met, a week ago, it was on neutral ground. He gave me wounded puppy eyes.... I said it was a mess of his own making. He then said it wasn't all his fault.

I didn't respond and drove away. He messaged me again saying we were both to blame for the relationship breaking down. How he wanted me to realise this. Until then we wouldn't be able to talk.

I asked how a virtual affair could ever compare to a bad habit and a platonic friendship.

I closed the conversation down quickly but by Friday I was burning to say something.

I said how I resented that he wanted me to realise what I'd done. How I'd tried to talk to him but he wouldn't listen. (At one point he'd accused me of talking at him rather than to him) I said he was hell bent at laying shit at my feet so be it - lay and be done.

I'd had it. I felt like he'd done nothing to express remorse at his actions. I was fretting that he was continually painting me as the unreasonable one and that he was driven into the virtual arms of someone else.

Eventually after a couple of messages where we both expressed our pain and regret, he said that he'd given up fighting for me. Due to the emotional abuse comment. He said he wanted to die.

Part of me felt torn in two, but part of me wanted to tell him to grow up, wake up and smell the roses.

He then told me not to contact him again.

I haven't.

Have I done the right thing?

I miss him a lot. I recognise I still love him.

I'm having to contemplate a house move by myself in 3 weeks time and I don't know where to start.

I miss his practical-ness. (Ex army)

Part of me knows I should be able to do this. I'm thinking packing/moving party but in the past when I've tried to organise something like this, I don't get much support.

Part of me wants the strength and support back that he brought to the relationship.

Am I being stupid?! Have I been unreasonable to break off our relationship and to keep it broken?

Please share some success stories with me?

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Pickleypickles · 13/09/2017 20:47

This man is emotionally abusing you. Telling you its your fault and making you question your judgement I hate men this. Its not your fault hes grumpy, its not your fault he cheated on you and its definately not your fault you saw him for what he was worth.
Ofcourse you had good times or you would have never been together, but dont let those cloud your judgement on the "whole package" which is a grumpy jealous cheating man child.

ConciseandNice · 13/09/2017 20:51

So much stuff. Firstly I'm sorry that you're going through all this.

You were not unreasonable. In the least. We all set our limits at some point for what is personally acceptable to us and he had pushed through those limits with a steamroller. You were not unreasonable to break things off.

However, you need to obviously weigh up what's important to you too. And maybe reassess those limits and really analyse whether you trust him going forward. Sure he didn't do anything physical, but he would have probably given the chance (maybe) . If you take him back, what does this mean for you and how you set limits on his behaviour in the future. You need to be clear to him.

Sorry so much to say...

I'll be brief, you need, most importantly, to look at yourself and acknowledge your own strength and skills. He is a grumpy (mildly) controlling bastard and you are a strong woman. You've got this. You can do it. If you take him back for the wrong reasons, you'll regret it.

Squirmy65ghyg · 13/09/2017 20:52

This has happened in 2.5 years? Way too soon. He's a prick. Focus on yourself and your kids.

JeffJarrett · 13/09/2017 20:53

Just because he was better than your ex in a lot of ways doesn't mean he was a good man, or the right one for you.

You're absolutely right in not taking any part of the blame. The hypocrisy of the man is astonishing, a sanctimonious martyr being jealous of a platonic 10 year relationship and then starting up with someone else himself. It's not on at all. I have male friends, my DP has female friends. My ex chipped away at me over the years and I lost all my old male friends as he didn't like it and felt threatened. I find that people who are too insecure to tolerate pre existing friendships always cause massive relationship problems.

He was abusive, gas lighting, cheating (or intending to at the very least), the moods, blaming you for his behaviour. Yes, he might have been great in a lot of ways but these are huge red flags and you deserve a relationship without all the shit. You gave him everything and it wasn't enough. You don't have to justify a friendship and a habit of being glued to the phone could be worked on.

It's hard to break any habit, even a relationship that you know isn't right. It's perfectly normal to doubt yourself, but don't fall into the trap of settling, this stressful time will pass. You sound like you have good friends who have given you solid advice, you'll be fine Smile

PollyFlint · 13/09/2017 20:56

Of course you were right to break it off, and of course you shouldn't get back with him.

Read back what you've just written. This man is an absolute arsehole and has treated you like shit. He's incredibly manipulative. He quoted Bible verses at you because he's trying to make you feel guilty and that breaking up with him is somehow 'wrong', not because he cares about your Christian beliefs. He's emotionally blackmailing you and you do not need this absolute crap in your life.

Seriously. Wake up. Don't have anything more to do with him. If you get back with him, you're headed straight for another relationship like the one with your ex - maybe the emotional abuse takes a different form, but it's the same thing. You were with this man for what, two years? A healthy relationship doesn't have this much conflict in it in 20 years, let alone two.

PollyFlint · 13/09/2017 20:58

Part of me wants the strength and support back that he brought to the relationship.

Except actually, most your relationship consisted of you supporting him, not the other way around. Read back what you've written and think how you'd interpret it if someone else had written it.

GodIsDead · 13/09/2017 20:59

Be strong OP. This man is a snake and you're well rid.

MrLovebucket · 13/09/2017 21:01

Fuck me, that was longer than War and Peace Shock

By the time I reached the end I couldn't remember what was going on at the beginning

So YABU

or maybe YANBU

Whichever it is I hope you get it sorted

Littlechinagirl · 13/09/2017 21:03

Woah that was like a soap episode for tonight... but in essence, you've done the right thing. DON'T go back there and move on.
He was emotionally abusing you and you know it. You also miss him, obviously, otherwise you wouldn't have been with him, but he's not right for you.
I hope this all works out for you in the end..

AppleAndBlackberry · 13/09/2017 21:13

Sorry but he does sound controlling with his moods and stopping you seeing your friend and going on and on about your phone use. Quoting Bible verses at you is horrible too, even if he did share your faith. You've been strong about not moving in and putting your children first and he hasn't liked that. He sounds very high maintenance, I wouldn't go back if I were you. This is the worst part, whether you meet someone else or not you'll be much happier this time next year.

JParkson · 13/09/2017 21:14

Thank you for the responses so far.

When I first met him I wasn't looking for a relationship.

polly when I first met him, he really was very supportive. Ex-H was being an utter disgrace and "D"P was the only thing stopping him from rocking up and giving me hell whenever he felt like it - Ex H was quite frankly shit scared of him.

DP was a godsend in the early days. Calm, easy going, quite literally so laid back he was horizontal.

I would say the changes are linked with the loss of his boys, but honestly I ft like a shit contemplating breaking it off with him as his mood got lower and lower. Hence why I ramped up my support.

Obviously it didn't work. Or it wasn't the support he was expecting.

In his recent messages he said about how he still cared for me and the kids. I think this is true but I'm struggling to move past the whole trust thing.

I wonder if he'd be his cheerful self or his low self. He's aware of his low side - he talked about it a lot when he first met me, as he'd come away from an abusive relationship - both physical and emotional.

I don't think I'll ever know.

Deep down, and while I was writing the post, I had my suspicions. But even then I was wondering if I was being unreasonable and ungracious. Was my behaviour enough to break down a relationship?

I'm thinking only a bad one....?

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JParkson · 13/09/2017 21:16

MrLovebucket I did warn you! Wink

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Bringmewineandcake · 13/09/2017 21:20

100% the right move.
Don't ever get back with this man. He's emotionally abusive and controlling.
Well done for recognising that and making the very hard decision to end it Flowers

JWrecks · 13/09/2017 21:20

You did the right thing. The fact he would EVER blame YOU for HIS infidelity (whether he followed through or not) is incredibly telling of what kind of man he really is.

You did the right thing. I'm sure of it.

JParkson · 13/09/2017 21:22

Thank you.

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Subtlecheese · 13/09/2017 21:26

No. Not enough for a relationship based on mutual respect and compromise. But it looks as though that isn't what was going on.
He didn't trust you ever with regard to MF, he seems perhaps needy and manipulative. Though hard to tell. If he had left an abusive relationship he could well have issues to resolve about that, perhaps he's copying that behaviour or perhaps needs to learn how to communicate and trust from scratch. You are not obliged to help him with that. It sounds like he needs time alone.

PollyFlint · 13/09/2017 21:27

He's gaslighting you into making you believe you are the problem. But you're not. Nothing you said or did was unreasonable, OP. He's behaved really badly.

You say he defended you against your ex when your ex was bothering you ... but that doesn't necessarily mean he did that for your sake. He is jealous of your male friend and wanted to stop you seeing him, so it's actually more likely that his keenness to see off your ex was as much about him not wanting other men around you as anything else.

Your relationship was honestly not great. Two splits in two years, jealousy over friendships, and an affair. That's not a normal harmonious relationship. He's now just trying to guilt-trip you. He's not a nice man.

MrLovebucket · 13/09/2017 21:30

MrLovebucket I did warn you!

You did indeed JP, I just underestimated what VV signified!

FWIW I've just got back together with someone I was previously in a relationship with. We split up for very different reasons than those stated in your OP though. I'm not sure if it will work out this time for us but we both feel it's worth trying again.

In your situation, however, I'd have said "thanks, but no thanks" It doesn't sound like a very healthy relationship.

iogo · 13/09/2017 21:33

Gosh OP, I know you warned us but even so, I started to scan half way through.

I read enough to know: he's controlling, red flags all over the place, he'll become abusive and start to gas light you. DO NOT GET BACK WITH HIM.

You can do this. Write to do lists for the move to help you get started.

JParkson · 13/09/2017 21:41

subtlecheese needy - yes that's a good word. There were definite notes of that from the beginning.

polly thank you - what you say does make a lot of sense.

iogo thank you for the suggestion - lists are on my list! Lol Wink

I feel a little less daunted now.

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Pigglesworth · 13/09/2017 21:54

You did the right thing! I feel like even when you called him out on his terrible behaviour he responded abusively, trying to guilt trip you and make you feel terrible. And his mindset is just to blame you for his mistakes and faults. Would you ever start texting another man with romantic intentions, while you were in a relationship? And while pressuring your partner to move in with you? The only thing that stopped him was that he got found out. This reveals his personality/what to expect if you had remained with him.

VladmirsPoutine · 13/09/2017 22:03

Don't settle for a level 3 abuser just because the last one was a level 8 abuser.

Sorry you're going through this. But it can't go on under any circumstance.

JParkson · 14/09/2017 08:23

Thank you piggle that's a good perspective.

vladmir thank you. Is there such a thing as a level 0 abuser?!

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ChopinLisztFinder · 14/09/2017 09:09

While reading your OP, I thought YANBU to split with him. At that point, I hadn't even read the bit about the OW.

There are some type of very valid and compelling reasons for you to not be in a relationship with this man. You have not acted unreasonably with him. You are not to blame. He's trying to manipulate your weak spot to his advantage, which is a dirty trick. Nasty man.