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Aibu to talk to you about abortion?

45 replies

FrazzledAndFried1234 · 07/09/2017 20:59

I know since the whole Jacob Rees-Mogg fiasco there must've been a billion posts on this already. Hopefully outlining that women have the right to there own autonomy in every way.

But what I want to highlight is that for many people in everyday life abortion isn't acknowledged as the generally speaking multifaceted all consuming event that it is. It's assumed that a mother either does or doesn't want their child, and that is often simply not the case.

I'd really like to share with you my experience of abortion (late term) because until I'd lived this and lived it with other women who were in varying degrees going through the same process as me, I had no idea about abortion and how hard it could be. This isn't about me changing my mind after a procedure, or having an epiphany and becoming pro life, it's about the alien nature of abortion, something that isn't flagged up in media unless it's negative, and it's about how no woman needs to be told that their moral compass is questionable when making such a huge choice about her body.

My termination has been the most heartbreaking event in my life to date, and that life includes being raped, witnessing a stabbing and spending several years in a DV relationship.
Do I regret it? Sometimes. Am I grateful I was afforded access to such treatment? Every minute of every day.
My pregnancy was all I ever wanted, I was having a baby with the love of my life, a good job in the bag and incredible friends all starting their journeys into parenthood alongside me. It was perhaps a tad earlier than I would've liked but I could've managed.

My pregnancy was amazing, I had no sickness, I went off coffee but never felt ill, my hair and nails were flawless and I felt like a woman.
My washboard stomach became a teeny round bump and my tiny Joey would dance around whenever I took a bath or lay still. I was in love. Crazy undeniable unbreakable love, a love that I had never felt before.
But my euphoria was slowly being cracked and broken, chipped away with what I thought were natural doubts but that began to consume me. What started off as simple doubts about my capacity to parent, began to transform into fleeting thoughts on termination but from these thoughts came the belief, that the only way was to kill myself, then the fleeting thoughts lingered and they lingered more, and they stopped being fleeting thoughts and developed into full blown paranoia, Everyone and everything in my mind was telling me to abort my baby, I thought dustbins and pay and display meters were chasing me down the street telling me to do it. I thought my doctor and my friends and my mother in law were willing me to do it. I was terrified. I had no escape.
These thoughts manifested and I fought them off again and again, buying my baby clothes (even finding a vest with a navy and red Appliqué "j" on the front) and going for scans, singing to my Joey and choosing my pram.
I was doing everything right and still these thoughts got worse, more people were chasing me and the walls were closing in. My chest was pounding and I couldn't breathe. By the time I was 14 weeks I was suffering from suicidal ideation six to eight times a day, I tried to fight it, but booked a consultation with BPAS (the most phenomenal people in the world) I was breaking by this point but I couldn't show it. I was clever, I thought I was playing the game and winning, I thought they could help me but they couldn't read minds. My mental health problems by this point had such a control on me I was between a rock and a hard place.

By the time I'd had the necessary Medicals I was 19w5. I thought that if I had a termination the things that had been chasing me wouldn't be able to hurt my baby I wanted Joe to be safe. I wanted to stay with him and look after him. So even when I stood waiting for my train to the clinic I contemplated jumping on Paddington underground.

I didn't ever think I'd have a termination, because I was very much in love with my baby. But it was for that exact reason I did.

If it wasn't for the facilities offering terminations to women like me in their hour of need then there is no question I would be dead.

Abortion isn't black and white - and until you've lived this you cannot tell me you know and you certainly can't question my morals when all I could've hoped for was to make life better for my baby.

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Alisvolatpropiis · 07/09/2017 22:18

Oh Frazzled Flowers

Your post is brave, powerful and poignant one.

hello - no the father absolutely does not get a say in what the woman carrying the baby chooses to do. It is not his body or physical or mental health at risk.

uglyflowers · 07/09/2017 22:20
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AlmostAJillSandwich · 07/09/2017 22:26

I'm so sorry you had to make such a horrible choice.
I am terrified of the thought of ever getting pregnant because i know i would have to terminate due to severe mental health issues. I know it wouldn't make the "choice" easier, and it would devastate me to go through with, so i can only hope it never happens.

orecchietti · 07/09/2017 22:27

Silver - I think it's almost impossible to comprehend unless you have suffered in the same way.

OP - thank you for sharing, it was really brave. I strongly believe that no woman should be forced to endure a pregnancy and childbirth if she does not want to or does not feel able to, for whatever reason.

TeatimeForTheSoul · 07/09/2017 22:40

OP thank you for sharing such a difficult time in your life. It's through bravery like yours that we gradually increase understanding (mine included) and reduce stigma. Thank you!

WobblyChair · 07/09/2017 22:40

This isn't a grey area for me.

maxthemartian · 07/09/2017 22:43

Can I ask a question? You don't have to answer.
Was all of this triggered by the pregnancy? Was it pre-natal psychosis?

Seeingadistance · 07/09/2017 22:51

Thank you for sharing your experiences with us.

Flowers
coconuttella · 07/09/2017 22:59

OP - Having started a thread about abortion ethics with a genuine desire to explore this further, your post is much appreciated, and has certainly made me consider my position. I hope you're able to get all the support you need. Flowers

FrazzledAndFried1234 · 08/09/2017 06:34

boopsy why wouldn't I want to hear that you feel for my partner and my baby? I feel for them too.

almostAJill if you want children, but are worried about mental health issues, you can recieve perianatal mental health care from the minute you start TTC. Please don't let my story put you off becoming a mother.

max because I didn't receive my support during my pregnancy I wasn't formally diagnosed with prenatal psychosis, however the MH nurse and sw I saw said that the accounts I gave and my diary entries (I wrote daily to try and maintain control) pointed towards prenatal psychosis. I had no real MH issues prior to this (slight anxiety and a few OCD tendencies stemming from trying to keep the peace during the DV relationship years ago), and I've not really had any issues with my MH since.

coconut thank you. I am sure I will.

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ladyballs · 08/09/2017 06:46
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Pengggwn · 08/09/2017 07:49

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FenceSitter01 · 08/09/2017 07:55

I appreciate you made decisions in your own best interests.

PodgeBod · 08/09/2017 08:05

I don't think it says much for prenatal care in this country (or BPAS) if they can't tell that a woman is psychotic.
Then again I was very open about my past mental health problems during pregnancy and I was also unable to access proper support.
Op, do you believe abortion was the best outcome for your situation or do you wish you had been diagnosed and received more support to keep your baby?

flippityfloppity · 08/09/2017 08:08

I would say that not continuing a pregnancy that was going to end up killing her and her unborn baby anyway was in EVERYONE'S best interests, not just OPs.

I'm glad you had such a supportive partner in such a terribly difficult time op. I'm so sorry you've been through this.

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WaitrosePigeon · 08/09/2017 15:16

That must have been very hard.

Lucyandpoppy · 08/09/2017 15:16

Thank you for posting this, I had an abortion and whenever I tell people I really struggled with it, became depressed and had panic attacks daily for nearly a year after people basically tell me I'm trying to put people off having one. I'm not but I should be allowed to share my valid experience without being accused of having an agenda. I volunteered for years after my abortion on an amazing supportive forum called passboards which provides support for women after an abortion and I can tell you there are thousands of women I have met on there that experienced similar feelings. Not everyone just had an abortion and is fine, and I think it's important to acknowledge that many women do need emotional support and find it a very very difficult time in their lives. My dad died recently and for me the two have been comparable experiences

Barbaro · 08/09/2017 15:38

I doubt I would ever disagree with someone if they have an abortion to be honest (unless it was over that kind of 'designer baby' thing, where they didnt want a girl so abort the girl and try for a boy kind of thing).

But when you've got a mental illness, lacking money or support, or are just plain and simple not ready, why bring another life into that? How is that going to make the situation better? We always tell people dont rush into a relationship, moving in together wont solve your problems and they wont. Well having a baby doesnt solve them either. Having a baby just increases lifes problems even when everything is going well already. You're suddenly responsible for another life, and if you cant afford that life, if you're not mentally stable for that life, or not ready for that kind of responsibility, I see no problem in abortion. I would rather see that, than more kids in a system that doesnt work, being passed from foster family to foster family, having no place to call home, potentially being abused either in the beginnings of their life or later on in it. Not saying that would have happened with your child, but its what happens with other children.

I would have an abortion if I got pregnant now. Why? Because I cant afford one. Yes I'd have support from my parents and I'm sure my boyfriend would support me, but realistically we couldnt afford one without help from our parents and I dont think its fair to ask for them to pay for a child that isnt theirs. I'm also not really mentally ready for one, I dont think I'd cope well with it right now seeing as how my job is making me depressed. So why bring a child into a state of poverty like that already, with parents who cant afford to feed it and a mother who isnt going to cope mentally with it? I would still struggle with that decision I'm sure, I'm sure it would make my depression worse for a while, but ultimately I also know in the long run its the right decision, however hard it is.

allthecheese · 08/09/2017 15:43

Thank you for sharing your story. And I wholeheartedly agree that it is never black and white (especially since having been there myself).

I wish wish wish there was more of an outlet for women to say 'I'm pregnant, and I'm not OK.'

Like you I was in my 30's, great job, wonderful husband, and became pregnant to a baby I desperately wanted. But when I saw the positive test my mental health fell apart (apologies, I don't think I'm putting it as well as you did OP). I saw the BPAS (the most wonderful unjudgmental people) and at the last minute decided against an abortion. I am beyond grateful to this day that I had the option.

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