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AIBU to think my son's name isn't that hard to pronounce?

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SailorByTheSea · 02/09/2017 22:57

Or is this an acceptable pronunciation!?

We live in London, so 'fear' is 1 syllable (this is relevant!)

My son is called Theodore... You know, 3 syllables, 'The-uh-door'?

All he gets is 'fear-door' Angry please tell me that this isn't an acceptable pronunciation? It makes me regret his name massively Sad

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ElizabethShaw · 03/09/2017 14:49

Imustbemad - th can be hard or soft (voiced or unvoiced) a bit like the difference between sss and zzz. However, the th in thirsty is still made by putting your tongue to your teeth, just like in the or then, and not with your teeth on your lips as in f.

ElizabethShaw · 03/09/2017 14:51

I don't think its laziness, just a combination of not hearing it modelled and not being corrected as children.

3EyedRaven · 03/09/2017 14:53

I say f instead of th most of the time. I can say th, if I wanted to, but I just don't care that much.
I work in the city, and a lot of my colleagues from all over London, Essex and Kent do it too. It's spreading.

Imustbemad00 · 03/09/2017 14:54

If I try and do it I feel like I'm spitting and sound like I have a lisp

3EyedRaven · 03/09/2017 14:55

Or v instead of th. Depending on where in the word it is.
Nuffink worse than the fucking accent police.

Imustbemad00 · 03/09/2017 14:57

Yep I just hear firsty and fing

pigsDOfly · 03/09/2017 15:04

Actually, you've flagged up another one 3EyedRaven: changing the final g in a word into a k sound. Why do some many people do this nowadays?

The don't change the g at the beginning of a word e.g. great to krate so why change the g into a k sound at the end?

Can someone explain that?

3EyedRaven · 03/09/2017 15:04

dolce that's a completely different sound though! And in my experience, those words are said with a kind of 'd' sound, so like dem, dat, although not an actual d sound.
A kind of hybrid sound.
Also, fuck off calling accents 'lazy'.
It's called 'th-fronting' it's one of the main components of a cockney accent.
Standardised spelling is a relatively new concept. Much, much newer than regional accents (which hark back to the days when we all spoke different languages).
You'd know that if you stopped being so 'utterly lazy' and did a bit of googling Wink

pigsDOfly · 03/09/2017 15:05

Rather a lot of typos in that but I'm sure you get the gist.

3EyedRaven · 03/09/2017 15:09

Because there's different stresses in the beginning of words than at the end pigs
Same reason I'll say the 't' in 'talk' but not in 'late'.
Anyway, I've heard all you middle class types and your glottal stops. Don't think you've got those past me, .
All your 'olidees you go on from 'Ga'wick'.
All your 'oh, absolu'elys'. Yeah I've heard ya's.
Thucking hypocrites Grin

pigsDOfly · 03/09/2017 15:13

But it's a k? You wouldn't write it as a k so why say it?

Grin at thucking

3EyedRaven · 03/09/2017 15:18

pigs to be honest, I don't know.
In my experience it's also more of a nah-ink/nuh-ink (said very fast to sound almost like one syllable) than nuffink, but I wouldn't have been able to type my f's then!

bananafish81 · 03/09/2017 15:22

@Imustbemad00

Interesting!

To me
Thin
Thrill
Thunder
Thursday
Three
Throat
Thank
Through
Throw

All start with the same sound as

That
They
Them
Then
Their
Though

I can imagine all the first set being said with a f- sound in estuary English

But I can't imagine the second lot without a th- sound

For you would any of the latter set start with a f- sound? Or are they all a different sound to the first set?

Genuinely fascinated

dolcezza99 · 03/09/2017 15:22

You'd know that if you stopped being so 'utterly lazy' and did a bit of googling

It's OK, thanks. I'll take being able to speak properly over googling for archaic rubbish.

nancy75 · 03/09/2017 15:28

Are these people who claim not to be able to pronounce this syllable saying "fe, fey, fey're, fen, fat", instead of "the, they, they're, then, that"? Of course they're not! It's utter laziness. simple soloution - don't come to S London, don't talk to us lazy thickos - I'm sure we will survive just fine without you

3EyedRaven · 03/09/2017 15:29

And I'll carry on communicating just as effectively without caring about your sneery irrelevant opinion.

dolcezza99 · 03/09/2017 15:31

Goood luck with that.

3EyedRaven · 03/09/2017 15:32

banana In my neck of the woods, the second set of words are said with a sound that's a kind of hybrid between a 'th' and a 'd'. Definitely not a pure 'd' sound, it's quite hard to explain.

dolcezza99 · 03/09/2017 15:32

simple soloution - don't come to S London, don't talk to us lazy thickos - I'm sure we will survive just fine without you

You're assuming I'm not familiar with South London? That's a big leap, considering you have no idea where I live. Plenty of people in South London can speak properly, nancy. It's laziness, end of.

Imustbemad00 · 03/09/2017 15:33

Second set a completely different sound to the first set to me. The first set to me are a 'f' sound. I can't really explain what the second set sound like but noting like 'f' or 'th' as I imagine it. I'm trying to think of a sound I can compare it to but I can't.

3EyedRaven · 03/09/2017 15:36

dolce I'm beginning to be concerned regarding your comprehension skills, as you keep conflating 'regional accent' and 'lazy'.
It's a bit weird to be honest.

Imustbemad00 · 03/09/2017 15:37

I'm so confused with the notion that if I say 'f' instead of 'th' it must mean I pronounce 'the, they, and there' as 'fe fey and fere' as someone just said. Where I live tho use words are not pronounced the same as words like 'thirsty or throat' for example. To me the 'th' in the word 'the' is not pronounced anything like in the word 'thirsty'. Wish we could send voice recordings.

FreudianSlurp · 03/09/2017 15:38

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Imustbemad00 · 03/09/2017 15:38

@bananafish81 where are you from?

JassyRadlett · 03/09/2017 15:41

I'll take being able to speak properly over googling for archaic rubbish.

Embrace that ignorance! That's the way. Grin

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