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To ask for advice on what to say to an upset friend I think is BU without upsetting her?

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loonyloo · 02/09/2017 20:34

A friend is very upset about something. I think that she's BU and feel I should say so rather than lying to her/sympathising to keep the peace, but I don't want to upset her. The immediate issue is wedding-related but there's a lot more to her being upset, iyswim. It's very long but I don't want to drip-feed.

This friend got married a little over a year ago. She had a very untraditional, small wedding. I was very surprised when she told me her plans, as I've known her a very long time and I would've assumed she would go for the big fairytale white wedding with loads of guests. If it had been any of my other friends I wouldn't have thought very much of it. All our mutual friends were surprised too.

She mentioned in the run-up to the wedding that several members of her large extended family had expressed surprise that she wasn't having a big do. They weren't annoyed at being cut out of the guest list or anything (the family is so big that there's an understanding not everybody can be invited to every wedding), they were just surprised that she wasn't going all out. She seemed a bit offended by this, saying she couldn't understand why they were so surprised and that it was her wedding so she could do what she liked. I told her I was surprised too, as were our other friends (we hadn't said anything before), and that people weren't so much being judgey about the type of wedding she was having as just surprised that she was the person having that type of wedding.

I went, and it was a lovely day, though I wasn't 100% sure she had enjoyed it (not because of the way she'd done things, but she'd had some argy-bargy with her MIL a few days beforehand over the food and I thought that she was still a bit pissed off over that).

I hadn't given this any further thought until earlier this week when she sent me an FB message saying that she'd been looking at her photos on her anniversary and she realised that she regretted not having the big day after all. She said the pictures made her cry because they didn't look like wedding pictures, just like pictures from any old party. I told her she did look like a bride in the photos even though she didn't have a big white dress on (a genuine opinion on my part), and that we'd all had a lovely day and that her guests had all commented that they'd really enjoyed it. A few messages went back and forth between us - I asked her at one point why she'd decided on the small wedding to begin with (thinking reminders of her reasons would make her feel better) but she didn't really answer, sort of went off on a tangent.

She sent me another message this afternoon resuming the same conversation and I don't know what to say to her. She's blaming her two sisters for her having a small do - she says she's realised over the past few days that as neither of them had a big wedding, she felt under pressure not to have the kind of wedding she wanted because they would've mocked her choice. She thinks some of our friends would've laughed at her too (apparently it's not fashionable to have a big wedding anymore????) but she thinks that it was primarily her sisters' opinions that put her off. She wants to say something to them and wants to know what I think.

I think this is fucking mad. Firstly, I know for a fact one of the sisters would not give a shit if someone else has a big or small wedding. I think the other one only had a small do because of budget constraints so I can't see her mocking a big do. Most of all, I think my friend is an adult and is responsible for her own choices and if she had the kind of wedding she didn't want because of opinions she thought other people might have then that's her own fault.

The thing is, I feel like I can't say this to her as I know she'll get really upset. She's a lovely and kind person, good fun and a good friend, but she's extremely sensitive and can be a bit dramatic at times and I can't think of any way of telling her she IBU without losing the friendship. To be honest, if it were just the wedding thing I would probably just say she can't blame her sisters, and there's no point crying over spilled milk or some such cliche. However, I think that her handling of this situation is similar to other situations and it's affecting her life adversely. She comes to me for advice quite a lot and I find myself holding back most of the time. I don't want to sound horrible or as if I don't like her, but very often the problems are quite trivial and she is making a fuss over nothing, but she is so upset I feel like I wouldn't get through to her if I say so outright. Even when I am a bit blunt she has some sort of justification or come-back and we just go around in circles. I have started to find her quite draining to be around but at the same time I want to help her and I realise that by holding back I am probably doing her no favours.

She gets wound up over tiny things and if I'm honest I think she is fundamentally an unhappy and anxious person. She is starting to lose friends as people try to avoid her as she is always complaining or stressing about something. She describes herself as sensitive, and cannot take even the tiniest bit of constructive criticism, real or perceived (for example, she starting taking Spanish lessons but got upset when the teacher asked her if she knew Italian because she had a slight Italian inflection to her Spanish pronunciation. She said that the teacher had made her feel self-conscious and had been unfair to her). On the other hand, despite her own sensitivity to criticism she is quick to criticise other people. For example, she is always talking about her morbidly obese and unemployed sister-in-law for being lazy and a bit weird. I know she has said the same things to her DH (i.e., SiL's own DB). Shortly before the wedding she mentioned very airily that she thought her SiL might in fact have special needs! I then met the SiL at the wedding and she clearly has an intellectual disability so my friend's criticisms are way out of line. So she expects a lot of sensitivity towards her but not to others. She even said as much to me once after a boss had said something innocuous to get her upset - I told her she was overreacting as he probably hadn't meant anything by it and that most people wouldn't think anything of it, and her response was basically "yes, but people know I'm sensitive so they should know to be extra careful what they say to me even if other people wouldn't be bothered".

In my opinion, there are two main things that she needs to deal with - she cares far, far too much about what other people think of her (hence having a wedding that is 'fashionable' rather than the one she wants), and a lot of her idea of how life should be and how people should react is basically based on Hollywood (she has a history of seeing scenarios in TV programmes and engineering similar ones or reacting similarly to the characters, this started as a teenager when Ross and Rachel in Friends went on a break and a few weeks later suggested the same thing to her boyfriend, and she hasn't grown out of that kind of thing).

I think she just has unrealistic expectations of life and an unrealistic idea (even paranoia) of other people's expectations of the glamour of her life and she is making herself unhappy. When she's not stressed out she's a good laugh, and she is a very loyal and kind friend who would come round at 4 in the morning if you needed her, no questions asked. She's generous and outgoing and funny and reliable. She has personality flaws like everyone else, I just think that her particular flaws are detrimental to her own happiness.

So I suppose what I'm asking is what should I say to her? What would you do? A bit of tough love and tell her she's being ridiculous over the wedding/sister thing and some home truths about the other stuff? Or try to be a bit more diplomatic (but how)? Or just ignore the latest message? Or something else?

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loonyloo · 02/09/2017 20:38

God, I've just re-read this and I sound like an awful friend Blush

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Yr10DD · 02/09/2017 20:48

Your penultimate paragraph in your first post - say this. Or if you don't want to go that far just say that blaming her sisters for her wedding is lose/lose and no point. She needs to move on.

SaveMeBarry · 02/09/2017 20:50

My that was long but I think I've got the gist of it Grin.

You don't sound like an awful friend, just someone who quite understandably is losing patience with a friend who is fairly hard work!

To be honest I think I'd tell her (because she has asked) that she's not being fair to her sisters, that she made the decision to have a small wedding herself and that really she's a grown woman and no one else is responsible for the thoughts that were in her head at that time. I mean I'd stress again that it was a lovely day, that she was a beautiful bride and all that jazz but I wouldn't be behind the door about saying I disagree with her.

As regards the home truths about other stuff? Nope! Leave it. People like this don't suddenly "see the light", this is her nature, her personality, it's who she is a pain in the arse if you ask me so if you want to keep the friendship don't start on this. I mean you're probably 100% correct but do you know anybody who wouldn't get defensive if someone picked apart their personality? I don't Grin.

missymayhemsmum · 02/09/2017 20:53

Point out to her that in life we make choices and there's no point in regretting them? Be honest that you were surprised she chose a small wedding, but it was her choice, presumably it was a choice she and her husband made together? How does he feel about it?
More generally, ask her if she realises how she is standing in the way of her own happiness by this kind of nonsense?
Suggest she try to focus on her very real blessings instead?

You are a good friend! You are still taking to her and she sounds very hard work!

loonyloo · 02/09/2017 21:12

It was very long SaveMeBarry, I suspect most people gave up halfway through reading it!! You're right about everyone getting defensive if their personality was picked apart though.

missymayhemsmum, her husband is lovely and would do anything for her, so I think he was just happy to go with what she wanted.

Thanks to all of you for the advice, I will definitely tell her outright that she cannot blame her sisters for the wedding fiasco and that she will just cause a lot of upset if she drags it up now. I will also try to do as missymayhemsmum and Yr10DD say and try to broach the other stuff a bit diplomatically and hopefully she'll take it as a friend been concerned rather than an attack.

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OlennasWimple · 02/09/2017 21:14

Suggest she start planning a ten year anniversary party extravaganza?

Poshjock · 02/09/2017 21:18

I think your analysis of your friend is probably very accurate. You could be more honest with her, but there is a reason you don't and that is because you know that it would damage your friendship. You stated that everyone has flaws and I think we chose to accept these flaws in our friends and learn ways to work around them to preserve the friendship.

I had a friend that I consciously held back on my opinions to "protect" her sensitivity even though I knew sometimes she was the orchestrator of her own fate. Eventually it was too much of a compromise for me and I was a bit more honest with her and our friendship fell apart. I suppose I knew it would - and I didn't mind because I was fed up of the drama.

I guess you need to decide if your desire for honesty is because you are tiring of the effort involved in protecting her sensitivities? You won't change her but you may change the dynamic of your friendship - can you deal with the potential consequences of that?

reallyorange · 02/09/2017 21:27

How are things with her and her DH?
Do you think this will just blow over as she moves on to the next thing to worry about?

Bluntness100 · 02/09/2017 21:34

Well, she's not going to take it well, if you're remotely honest based on her sensitivity. She isn't going to take it well at all.

Personally i think it's not worth the pain, just say the decision was a good one and the wedding was beyond brilliant and leave it there, act confused.

She's a drama lama and if you even get close the the truth there will be too much drama and it won't make any difference at all.

TakeMe2Insanity · 02/09/2017 21:34

You have two options:

  1. send her the thread
  2. Pray the daily fail pick it up and then she can read about it anyway.

You've said a hell of a lot. Beyond the wedding. You've got down to the bones of the relationship. You can't change her. She is your friend as she is or you change the situation.

ButchyRestingFace · 02/09/2017 21:46

She sounds like a pain in the arse, which I suppose we all are to some degree or another. Grin

But blaming her sisters for her decision to have a small wedding is a bit unhinged. It smacks of a need to deflect all blame all the time lest her self image splinter and fragment completely.

loonyloo · 02/09/2017 22:32

Thanks everyone. That's all useful advice. Poshjock what you say has given me a lot to think about especially.

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