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To still not understand the Diana "thing"?

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TeaCake5 · 31/08/2017 08:22

As William and harry said they were bewildered by people who didn't even know her acting in the way they did. Yes it was sad that she was killed but to hand around kensington palace for days crying? Ridiculous.

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TeaCake5 · 31/08/2017 09:12

londonrach many people have "struggles". Most people don't have bags of taxpayers money and servants to assist.

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Pantryboy · 31/08/2017 09:14

Yes she was adorable and I thought she was just wonderful
Nothing and no one will ever make me change my mind
No amount of spiteful rude put downs
Nothing
She was just so special to me and others
You can all say your piece and try to shut ppl up with your clever nasty quips
She was a special ,magical ,beautiful woman and the world is much worse off without her in it

liverbird10 · 31/08/2017 09:15
Hmm
maxthemartian · 31/08/2017 09:17

I can't tell if Pantryboy's post is parody or not.
I'm finding that a lot in general at present.

MissEliza · 31/08/2017 09:17

I was abroad at the time so I know nothing about the hysteria that went on. However I was upset to such a lovely young woman and mother killed in her prime.
I do think the royal family were treated very unfairly. The right thing for the boys was to stay in Balmoral with their family. One of the documentaries I watched had footage of a woman saying the royal family were 'keeping William and Harry' from the public who had a 'right' to see them. Absolutely bonkers.
I do feel Diana made some decisions which contributed to the tragedy. If she hadn't dismissed her royal protection officers, they would have protected her in Paris. She was also warned about the Al Fayeds. Dominic Lawson , husband of one of her closest friends, said he had strongly warned her to stay away from them. On the other hand, it feels like the royal family washed their hands of her as well. She hadn't seen the boys for a month for gods sake. She must have been very lonely so perhaps it's no wonder she was tempted to jet around Europe with Dodi.

expatinscotland · 31/08/2017 09:17

And now all the films and stuff. 'Diana & I' blah blah blah. FFS. Let the poor woman rest in peace.

FreeSpiritJen · 31/08/2017 09:17

YANBU to not care, or wonder why people do.

YABU if you judge people who loved her, and thought she was a wonderful human being, who were upset when she died, and are still upset now when they think about it.

People pissing all over peoples feelings, and mocking how they feel, or how upset they are when something happens they they deem as trivial, really grates on me to be honest.

A little empathy and kindness goes a long way..............

GnomeDePlume · 31/08/2017 09:18

Grief is a very strange thing.

I think that sometimes people find it easier to focus their grief for something real in their own lives onto something/someone quite external. It is easier and simpler. The emotions are 'tidier'. There is no anger or relief to muddy the emotional waters as there are when someone real in their own lives die.

Shortly after my DF died a character in a soap opera was killed off. I felt a very simple and quite intense sadness for the death of that character. In a while I realised that I was focusing the sadness I felt for the loss of my DF after a long and exhausting illness on this soap character.

So while I didnt share the Diana grief I did try to understand it.

derxa · 31/08/2017 09:18

The shock of her death was immense. It really was. It brought home (hackneyed phrase alert) the fragility of life, even to many of us who didn't need reminding. To deny what a shock it was is to be disingenuous. Great post Stevie
I lost a brother in an accident and this reminded me of it (as if I could ever forget). I could cry about Diana but could not about my brother because I had to keep a stiff upper lip for the sake of my parents.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 31/08/2017 09:18

Hmm indeed.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 31/08/2017 09:18

Yes her death was very sad of course it was. However I do have to agree with you. The way those 2 little boys, which they were at the time, where so dignified, and strangers were wailing.
The must have felt like saying. What the fuck are you crying for. Its our mum that's died

WorldWideWanderer · 31/08/2017 09:19

I am relieved I'm not the only one who finds the Diana thing strange. I've not said anything so far becuase grief is grief....I really feel for William and Harry and yes, it was awful at the time.
However, it's 20 years on. Why are we dragging this all up again? I never saw the appeal Diana had for people....she did some good but nothing like the iconic work of Mother Theresa or Mandela, as other posters have said. Diana also played the "poor me" card....her TV interviews where she half hangs her head and does the sad face, with a quick look every so often to see if it's having any effect....never did it for me.

I don't think Charles and Diana were suited. Charles' heart was elsewhere. Yes, he had an affair - Diana had several too. Their marriage wasn't happy but divorce means that both sides weren't able to make it work, I can't undertsand why Diana emerges as a saint and Charles a sinner. In fact, I'm very fond of Charles and will be quite happy to have him king, along with the real love of his life, Camilla. And there is the real fairytale....against all the odds, Charles and Camilla have been reunited in the end.

And then there's the crash itself. Why on earth wasn't Diana wearing a seatbelt? No good blaming it on the press - if you want to be an icon you accept that media are going to want to takes pictures of you. What killed Diana was a combination of poor driving, speed, no seatbelt and so on....and being in the wrong place at the wrong time. An example, if ever there was, of "the way you live your life is also the way you'll die".

It's all in the past. Time to move on folks.....

Sequence · 31/08/2017 09:19

Diana stood up to a stuffy, archaic, judgmental monarchy and its rigid systems, once she realised how it all worked. She was a breath of fresh air and spoke up. People were attached to what she stood for, and shocked when her life ended. The hysteria was strange though.

Hoppinggreen · 31/08/2017 09:21

Mil phoned early and woke me up to tell me, I didn't know who she was talking about at first. I was also bloody cross because DH was sailing with fil and I thought something had happened to them
For people who knew her it was sad and I did and still do feel sorry for her sons but yes, it was ridiculous mass hysteria
Also she was in a car with no seatbelt and a driver who had ( allegedly) been drinking and taking drugs while in a relationship with someone a bit dodgy - most people who died like that wouldn't get much sympathy
Obviously her lifestyle didn't mean she deserved to die but I think it did contribute to it

Nikephorus · 31/08/2017 09:22

I feel sorry for William and Harry now, having to put up with media attention about it.
Yes but they use it when they need to - any time that they're getting negative press they'll trot out some recollection of her.
It winds me up that William (& Harry to a large extent) use the media intrusion in Diana's life as an excuse to live in seclusion, conveniently forgetting that Di used the press to her benefit all the time. She'd arrange for leaks as to where she was & who she was seeing and make sure she looked good for all the "gosh where did that camera appear from" shots. Highly manipulative.
There was nothing magical about her. Yes she did some good, but she lived a great life as a result of her position. It was crap that she died but that would apply to anyone. She was no saint and her sons are lazy workshy individuals who get fawned over because they use the "Mummy died when we were young" line regularly and were born into the right family.

buggerthebotox · 31/08/2017 09:23

It was a weird few days, sure, but a nation grieving? Not really! Some were bothered, most weren't. I still haven't seen that funeral (only repeated bits).

Pretty much everyone was shocked and saddened by her death. But all that weeping and wailing? Ffs!

mammy I was Shock at that guy who rang into that radio prog too; what the hellwas he thinking?!

"Queen of Hearts" ffs....

TabbyMumz · 31/08/2017 09:23

Pantry boy......Moines trying to shut anyone up....???? Just stating our opinion like you.

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 31/08/2017 09:24

I didn't get it then, I still don't get it.

It seemed at times that her boys were wheeled out comfort some random people, who've never even met her yet who were convinced they were grieving as well.

chronicleink · 31/08/2017 09:24

Never really saw the point of her TBH. Sad for her kids obvs. But this obsession with an over priveleged woman is beyond me.

maxthemartian · 31/08/2017 09:24

I don't see why people who didn't know her expect empathy and kindness for grieving?
You didn't know her. She was not your family or yoyr friend. It's grief tourism.

indulgentberries · 31/08/2017 09:24

Selfish buggers ranting that the queen 'do something' and 'talk to them'. She was looking after her grandsons!

This ^ It was a truly bizarre time, I think people got caught up in the moment who wouldn't have otherwise done so. The media did stoke up a lot of the emotion, as you can probably imagine the likes of the Daily Fail went to town on it all. I think that Tony Blair also saw it as a chance to make his mark and get some good publicity.

Iwanttobe8stoneagain · 31/08/2017 09:24

It was bizarre tbh. Was never really a big fan but I really think it was a case of mass hysteria. I think after a decade of people being encouraged to almost disengage from feelings it acted like a release valve for pent up emotions. It seemed a time when it was ok to cry over the death of some woman you had never met but was expected to suck up and carry on through painful personal experiences. I did and still do feel so sorry for two young boys who had just been through their parents very public divorce losing their mother and having the "grief" and expectations of a nation thrust upon their very young shoulders

MoGhileMear · 31/08/2017 09:24

Hilary Mantel had a good essay in last weekend's Guardian on it -- she argues that the Diana being mourned was a sort of public myth that had little to do with any actual person, that she was in a sense a collective invention:

www.theguardian.com/books/2017/aug/26/the-princess-myth-hilary-mantel-on-diana

A deathbed, once, was a location dense with meaning, a room packed with the invisible presences of angels, devils, ancestors. But now, as many of us don’t believe in an afterlife, we envisage no final justice, no ultimate meaning, and have no support for our sense of loss when “positivity” falters. Perhaps we are baffled by the process of extinction. In recent years, death narratives have attained a popularity they have not held for centuries. Those with a terminal illness scope it out in blogs. This summer the last days of baby Charlie Gard riveted worldwide attention. But what is the point of all this introspection? Even before the funeral, survivors are supposed to flip back to normal. “Keeping busy” is the secret, Prince William has advised.

Grief is exhausting, as we all know. The bereaved are muddled and tense, they need allowances made. But who knows you are mourning, if there is nothing but a long face to set you apart? No one wants to go back to the elaborate conventions of the Victorians, but they had the merit of tagging the bereaved, marking them out for tenderness. And if your secret was that you felt no sorrow, your clothes did the right thing on your behalf. Now funeral notices specify “colourful clothing”. The grief-stricken are described as “depressed”, as if sorrow were a pathology. We pour every effort into cheering ourselves up and releasing balloons. When someone dies, “he wouldn’t have wanted to see long faces”, we assure ourselves – but we cross our fingers as we say it. What if he did? What if the dead person hoped for us to rend our garments and wail?

When Diana died, a crack appeared in a vial of grief, and released a salt ocean. A nation took to the boats. Vast crowds gathered to pool their dismay and sense of shock. As Diana was a collective creation, she was also a collective possession. The mass-mourning offended the taste police. It was gaudy, it was kitsch – the rotting flowers in their shrouds, the padded hearts of crimson plastic, the teddy bears and dolls and broken-backed verses. But all these testified to the struggle for self-expression of individuals who were spiritually and imaginatively deprived, who released their own suppressed sorrow in grieving for a woman they did not know. The term “mass hysteria” was a facile denigration of a phenomenon that eluded the commentators and their framework of analysis.

SuperBeagle · 31/08/2017 09:24

I have no issue with the royals, but I don't "get" the Diana thing either.

She doesn't, in retrospect, strike me as a particularly sincere or likeable person.

HoneyIshrunktheBiscuit · 31/08/2017 09:25

There was a woman on the news this morning who said she travels up to kensington palace every year on the date Diana died and puts up photos on the gates of Diana. If I was William or Harry I would find that incredibly uncomfortable and probably be a bit pissed off.