Page 19 | To still not understand the Diana "thing"?

TeaCake5 · 2017-08-31T07:22:54+00:00

As William and harry said they were bewildered by people who didn't even know her acting in the way they did. Yes it was sad that she was killed but to hand around kensington palace for days crying? Ridiculous.

bakewelltarty · 31/08/2017 23:48

On the BBC doc 7 days, Harry said he didn't have an opinion on whether walking behind the coffin was the right decision. however, he said that looking back on it, he was very pleased that he had been part of it.

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wowfudge · 31/08/2017 23:59

The pps upthread commenting on what could the French fireman have known about her condition, etc.: I thought the fire service acted as paramedics in France therefore he would have some medical training? You call them after an accident even when there is no fire. Or am I wrong?

bakewelltarty · 01/09/2017 00:09

Wow - I believe that in the car Diana appeared stable. It wasn't until they got her out of the car that she had her first cardiac arrest.

They managed to restart her heart and transferred her to the ambulance. Once the ambulance left it took about 26 mins to get to hospital, they did stop when Diana's blood pressure lowered and they thought she might arrest again. They arrived at the hospital about 1 hour and 18 mins after emergency services were first on scene. It is normal medical practice in France to stabilise the patient before transferring to hospital.

Once in hospital, the full extent of her internal injuries were seen and once she arrested again, they could not restart her heart.

The findings of her inquest are easy to find online. I think that some of the pps on here should do some research rather than believing conspiracy theories.

DottyBlue2 · 01/09/2017 00:12

I do think it's ironic that the Queen of People's Hearts died of a failed heart.

MargaretTwatyer · 01/09/2017 00:15

I think it is clear that William and Harry love their father very much. I'm not sure why you think any different?

It's fairly well rumoured in Royal gossip that Charles sees very little of his grandchildren and doesn't get on with William. From the same sources who said Charles and Diana's marriage was in trouble when everybody poo-poo'ed that too. It's been notable that in the anniversary coverage for there mother they have made only one or two references to their father in fairly reserved terms.

bakewelltarty · 01/09/2017 00:24

Margaret - seriously? 'Well rumoured' 😆

LaurieFairyCake · 01/09/2017 00:32

I think that headlines back then showed the press as borderline racist, maybe overtly so sometimes. And they continue to insinuate about Mohamed Al Fayed.

pieceofpurplesky · 01/09/2017 00:39

Diana was the first celebrity obsession of the worldwide media of that scale. Never a day went by without her being on TV or in the newspapers. People felt as if they knew her, that she cared about them and that she was 'one of us'. It was as if people were mourning a friend or relative.

ReanimatedSGB · 01/09/2017 00:59

I do think it will be interesting, to say the least, when the Queen finally goes (which will be some time within the next 10 years, after all). Will there be mass howling? Will there be a campaign to pack the remaining Royals off to their country houses and forget the whole idea of a monarchy? Will the utterly bucketheaded start demanding that the crown go straight to William (because: some bullshit or other)?
Mind you, it's not impossible that Charles will drop off his perch first, really - he's in his 70s, isn't he?

SenecaFalls · 01/09/2017 01:24

Charles is 68.

BoysofMelody · 01/09/2017 01:45

It's fairly well rumoured in Royal gossip that Charles sees very little of his grandchildren and doesn't get on with William. From the same sources who said Charles and Diana's marriage was in trouble when everybody poo-poo'ed that too. It's been notable that in the anniversary coverage for there mother they have made only one or two references to their father in fairly reserved terms.

I really don't know what you get out of concocting such twaddle. Given that the first rule of journalism is 'always protect your sources' then it seems unless you're a royal correspondent on Fleet Street , that your insider knowledge is made up nonsense and/or wishful thinking. Why would they talk about their father in relation to their mother's death, they were divorced at the time.

Megabeth · 01/09/2017 01:51

She hadn't seen her boys for a month because that's what the Palace wanted. It wasn't a very equitable custody arrangement. That's something the Royal Family can be criticised for. She didn't spend her last Xmas with them either I think because of course Sandringham trumps everything else.

Thanks for posting this. The boys had a holiday with Diana on Al Fayed's yacht before Diana did her 'gallivanting' with Dodi.

They were due to spend Christmas 1997 with their mother for the first time since the separation. Both Diana and Fergie had to take a backseat when it came access.

Bluntness100 · 01/09/2017 06:57

One of my friends has organised quite a few social events due to her job, where Charles and the boys have attended over the years, but the events have not been public. Her view was they are incredibly close, I see no reason to disbelieve her as I know her well, these were small events, and I doubt she would read it wrong in the context she was in.

They are also ok with Camilla and there is no animosity there.

Papafran · 01/09/2017 07:17

Mr Gourmelon said he was sure Diana would survive

Hmm I would say that it would be pretty much a miracle if anyone survived a head on crash at 85mph. One person did in this case and that was a total fluke (and by the way, Trevor Rees-Jones was not wearing his seat belt either- none of them were)

derxa · 01/09/2017 07:33

This is yet another backpatting MN thread sneering about dreadful plebs. Yes limited That's exactly what it is. I'm surprised we haven't had some of the essential key words and phrases. Brexit/ Trump/ hard of thinking/ lack of critical thinking /Daily Heil and sheeple

heartstornastray · 01/09/2017 07:56

Why would they talk about their father in relation to their mother's death, they were divorced at the time.
Well it's easy to see why they would. Of course they'd not show it to the world, but putting myself in their shoes i'd imagine that they'd partly blame their father and Camilla for her death. After all if she'd still been with Charles she wouldn't have been in a fatal car crash.

Ceto · 01/09/2017 08:04

It would be utterly ridiculous to blame their father for her death on those grounds. Charles didn't force her to go to Paris, he didn't force Fayed to set up a ridiculous diversionary tactic involving an untrained drunk driver, he didn't force Henri Paul to speed. I would give William and Harry credit for having enough sense not to come up with that one.

SeaWitchly · 01/09/2017 08:05

I lived in Australia when we first got the news that Dana had a car accident and was injured, then we heard she was seriously injured and finally that she had died.
I think the Australian public learnt the news earlier than the British [being ten hours ahead] and I remember my brother ringing me in the afternoon [so early morning UK/Paris] to tell me the news that Diana had been in a car accident... I remember laughing and saying yeah I bet she's broken a fingernail or something. Then gradually we heard from increasingly sombre news reporters that she had died... interspersed with live footage of the streets of London, still in darkness with minimal traffic... until the morning and to the reactions of Londoners waking up to the news.
I remember it was my last day in a hospital ward and a little leaving party had been planned for me in the staff room... well, it was an especially sombre and silent affair as everyone was processing the news that the most famous woman in the world [who had also been daily front page news in Aus] was no more.
All the patient's beds had televisions hanging from the ceiling at the foot end and they were all on with constant rolling news from London... with various consultants, nurses, junior doctors, physios, cleaners, etc all clustered around and discussing this incredible event with the patients. It really was a sense of a significant world event had occurred, probably similar I imagine to how it felt when people heard that JFK or Elvis died.

derxa · 01/09/2017 08:06

I think William and Harry have learnt to put on a brave face. They are members of the Royal Family after all. I'm sure they love their father. Beneath the surface though there must be a lot of buried feelings. They must envy some of their cousins eg Zara. I wouldn't be surprised if William decided not to be king.

Papafran · 01/09/2017 08:06

Of course they'd not show it to the world, but putting myself in their shoes i'd imagine that they'd partly blame their father and Camilla for her death. After all if she'd still been with Charles she wouldn't have been in a fatal car crash

Wtf of course they don't and wouldn't think that. Also, seeing as Diana had multiple affairs (with married men with their own children), if she had still been with Charles, that would have been no guarantee that she would not have been in Dodi Fayed's car.

Do they also blame their grandmother and grandfather for pressuring their father into marrying a girl he hardly knew and had nothing in common with just because they refused to let him marry someone who had been divorced before because of stupid rules?

LazySusan11 · 01/09/2017 08:07

I don't get it either, I find it rather tasteless that there have been the programmes on tv about Diana's death. Have these people making these programmes forgotten that she left behind 2 young sons who still feel the loss of their mum? I'd hate to see mad media about my mum year after year.

Ceto · 01/09/2017 08:08

Ceto as an experienced fireman he was expressing his opinion.

But where does it take us? The paramedics and doctors treating her at the scene and in the ambulance clearly recognised how serious it was. She had been in a head on crash at speed without wearing seatbelt. Are we supposed to believe, based on the opinion of one fireman, that actually she could have walked away and someone managed to murder her in full view of a load of French medics and paramedics, and to do it so subtly that it was undetectable on post mortem?

NormaSmuff · 01/09/2017 08:12

Very sad to hear that William had spent quite a bit of his childhood trying to comfort his mother , she had been crying from press intrusion.
Not a good childhood considering he was only just 15 when she died and that is one of his strong memories. to comfort his mother

Papafran · 01/09/2017 08:21

Very sad to hear that William had spent quite a bit of his childhood trying to comfort his mother sad, she had been crying from press intrusion.
Not a good childhood considering he was only just 15 when she died and that is one of his strong memories. to comfort his mother

No, that is not good. But it's a sign that Diana wasn't always able to put the needs of her children first. She was quite emotionally unstable and dramatic (some who knew her suspected that she had borderline personality disorder). She did not hide away- she actively courted the press, had affairs with celebrities, did interviews slagging off the Royal Family, released tapes etc. She used the media for her own ends so of course they were not going to ignore and leave her alone. Sometimes she didn't like what was being written but sometimes she did. I do think that she should have kept her small boys away from that though and not lock herself in the bathroom sobbing, leaving them feeling helpless because they couldn't make her better.